.308 for grizzly what loads

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Hi folks, after checking the leh griz draw results i see that my son has drawn a tag. He is almost 12 years old, has passed his core etc. I bought him his first gun a .25wssm. He has sucessfully used it to take deer and a moose. I really didn't think that he would have been able to talk his mother into letting him even put in for the tag. I applied (unsucessfully :mad::mad::mad:) Any how he is really pumped about it, which is awsome! Obvoiusly the .25wssm is a little on the inadequate side. He has never used my .300 win mag, i still think it a little too much for him yet. I do have a nice little .308 model 760 carbine with an 18 " barrel. He has shot it a fair bit and is comfortable with it. My question is, which would be the better bullet to go with. I do reload. Would you use a 180gr Barnes ttsx or a 220gr speer round nose in the .308. Shots will be kept to within 200yrds. I would also be interested in hearing any other bullet suggestions for the .308. Thanks guys
 
An 11 year old hunting Grizzly with a 308 - hmmm. I'm thinking he should bring along some bear spray. Bears like spices with their meat.
 
Andy said:
An 11 year old hunting Grizzly with a 308 - hmmm. I'm thinking he should bring along some bear spray. Bears like spices with their meat.
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bear spray is for the city dwellers (like Ottawa). I am sure you have shot 93 grizzly with a 460 weatherby mag at 7 yards!!! I was /am looking for a constructive comment regarding the above mentioned loads. If you don't have such a comment perhaps you could take a spin down to our local parliment buildings and have some intelligent conversation with the equally brilliant minds there.:jerkit:
 
1 ozzy said:
bear spray is for the city dwellers (like Ottawa). I am sure you have shot 93 grizzly with a 460 weatherby mag at 7 yards!!! I was /am looking for a constructive comment regarding the above mentioned loads. If you don't have such a comment perhaps you could take a spin down to our local parliment buildings and have some intelligent conversation with the equally brilliant minds there.:jerkit:
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Relax Ozzy, its the internet. Be prepared to get some jokers to your questions, it is the nature of the game.

Now get your boy out to the range and get those TTSX's dialed in for action. I wanna see pics :cool:
 
1 ozzy said:
bear spray is for the city dwellers (like Ottawa).
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I'm OK with Bear Spray being used on the city dwellers of Ottawa!:popCorn:

The 180's or 220's will be fine unless the Grizz has been online and found out that it's supposed to be impervious to anything less than a .577 T-Rex.

Have a great hunt! Pictures!

Somewhere, I recall seeing some great pictures showing bears internal anatomy and bone structure. Might be worth surfing around for, and printing out for study.

Cheers
Trev
 
A .30 caliber 220 gr RN is a good bullet, although I believe the heaviest bullet Speer makes currently is 200 gr, perhaps your's are Sierras. You should be able to drive a 220 at 2300 fps from the .308's 18" barrel. This velocity would result in a trajectory that, with a 150 yard zero, would be 4" low at 200 and a foot low between 250 and 270 yards. Try working up a load with Winchester 760 or H-380. Either of these powders will produce good results when used with a heavier than normal bullet in the .308. A starting load with W-760 bewhind a 220 gr RN would be about 38.0 grs

If your son wishes to take advantage of a flatter trajectory, the 165 or 180 gr TTSX at 2700 and 2500 respectively will reach out allowing for an additional 50 yards of range over the 220 gr RN. I would consider Winchester 748 as the propellant, particularly with the 165 gr bullet.
 
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Are you sure you want to go through with this? If he gets a grizzly at only age 12, you probably condemn him to needing to hunt Africa by the time he is 30, and off-planet by the time he is 50. What a rat-race his life may be to pay for all that! :)

Seriously, though, I don't have the experience with the premium bullets to offer any advice on that, so I'll just wish you good luck for the hunt.
 
I'd seriously consider getting him something with a little more punch. A muzzle brake will help him with the recoil of a magnum caliber. Just for the record I'm not saying you can't kill a grizzly with a 308. I just wouldn't want wound one especially with your son with you....
 
since he is so young probabbly he cannot take a big recoild like from 375 ,416 rigby,9,3x74r,so i suggest him a gun he is most comfortable with,if he is hunting over bait 308 is ok, personally i would never take 308 for grizzly only if is only gun i have, there is a lots of more choices like338,9.3
 
Well constructed bullet over 165 grains and proper shot placement will be fine. An average grizzly will be around the size of a big black bear in most areas.

Practice shooting from multiple field positions will be the most important thing of course.

Yes, I have shot grizzly bear...
 
Of your two choices, I would use the 180TSX. IMO, 220 is too much for the .308, that's why we have the .338 Federal.

Your son is far better off using a .308 that he's comfortable with, as opposed to any magnum that he is not used to shooting. Are you allowed to carry a rifle to back him up with?
 
quoting Clay Harvey...."a 30-06 with a well constructed 200gr bullet bests any 300win mag factory load" 308 is damn close to a 30-06...
 
That 180 TTSX should work just fine. My "other" choice for that 308 would be the excellent 200 Partition. This bullet also penetrates well, and has a lot of clout, even at 308 Velocities, and will not occupy any more powder space than will the 180 TTSX. At <200 yards, It will exit a grizzly on a broadside shot. [Yes, I have shot grizzly bear!!] Eagleye.
 
I have shot, and seen shot, quite a few grizzly bears up here; some really big, some quite small. Oddly enough, some of the biggest were killed with 270's, 308s and 30-06 rifles.

A 308 will be plenty, and if I were going to use one, it would be with a 180 or 200 gr Nosler partition, and preparations to post lots of pictures of the hunt. :)

Ted
 
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I have shot, and seen shot, quite a few grizzly bears up here; some really big, some quite small. Oddly enough, some of the biggest were killed with 270's, 308s and 30-06 rifles.

A 308 will be plenty, and if I were going to use one, it would be with a 180 or 200 gr Nosler partition, and preparations to post lots of pictures of the hunt. :)

Ted
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X2.....best response yet.
 
Eagleye said:
That 180 TTSX should work just fine. My "other" choice for that 308 would be the excellent 200 Partition. This bullet also penetrates well, and has a lot of clout, even at 308 Velocities, and will not occupy any more powder space than will the 180 TTSX. At <200 yards, It will exit a grizzly on a broadside shot. [Yes, I have shot grizzly bear!!] Eagleye.
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My personal opinion tells me that this child, yes child b/c he is not even a teenager jet shouldn't be pushed into unnessesary and risky endeavour of hunting grizzly bear no matter how "mature" he seems to be or what the law permits him to do. You as a father having his destiny in your hands should know better than that. Once he is 15 or 16 and savy enough then it is another matter. If you insist that is OK b/c he "wants to" then use 200gr protected point Nosler Partition, it will produce more shock down to 1600 FPS than 180gr Barnes TSX which just barely opens at 2000 FPS and requires even more than that to work in optimal manner. Good luck to both of you.
 
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