SKS and the number 1
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Says who?
I went on a tour of the Diemaco factory down near Kitchner/London or whatever it was 6 years ago.
They took every rifle on the line, and put it into a rest and fired some number of rounds through it on full auto. I can't remember how many. The rounds had to hit on the tgt within a certain size. If the rounds were outside a certain size tgt, the rifle was scrapped. If not, it went on to the consumer (Said rifle was heading to the Dutch Army.) So how hard would it be to have the guy rank the rifles w/ a stamp based on performance? Seems like it'd take an extra circle or two drawn on the tgt to determine accuracy, and a tap w/ a hammer and stamp...
My $0.02
I got an inbox from someone related to that site stating it was translated directly from Russian. Who knows. Just enjoying researching my newest toy.
It does look to be of much better quality than my Norinco SKS. That's not to say the Norinco is garbage because before I got the Tula I thought they couldn't built a tougher more reliable SKS than my Norinco.I know they don't.
But you said no army in their right mind would.... I'm just arguing the fact that w/ an extra few seconds added on to the process, they could....
Got ya
I retract my no army comment Heres something to think about
Soviets do not grade there sniper SVT40s or M91/30s "its ether a sniper marked gun or not" There is also no 1,2,3 grades on any SVT40, M91/30s, M44s, M38s or Ak47s. So why would they only grade the SKS45? "if thats what the mark means"
Got ya
Heres something to think about
Soviets do not grade there sniper SVT40s or M91/30s "its ether a sniper marked gun or not" There is also no 1,2,3 grades on any SVT40, M91/30s, M44s, M38s or Ak47s. So why would they only grade the SKS45? "if thats what the mark means"
Interestingly enough, I think they did. I have an ex-sniper rifle 1891/30 with a bunch of 1's and 2's stamped on it in an odd place on the receiver... which I assume have something to do with accuracy, as they're not inspectors marks.
howiebearse
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number 1 stamp
most likely as you study all the proofs you will find that certain areas of the Russian sks carbine are loaded with proof marks. Most likely as that sight was made and assembled it was proofed. As stated earlier in the thread it would make no difference to the Russians as to how a bbl guaged as long as it passed the standards. the line or 1 is probably one of the inspectors punches to prove he checked the assembly
most likely as you study all the proofs you will find that certain areas of the Russian sks carbine are loaded with proof marks. Most likely as that sight was made and assembled it was proofed. As stated earlier in the thread it would make no difference to the Russians as to how a bbl guaged as long as it passed the standards. the line or 1 is probably one of the inspectors punches to prove he checked the assembly
zippy_the_wonder_chimp
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hmmm...
i wonder if Sergey from Westrifle knows for sure?
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i wonder if Sergey from Westrifle knows for sure?
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Got ya
Heres something to think about
Soviets do not grade there sniper SVT40s or M91/30s "its ether a sniper marked gun or not" There is also no 1,2,3 grades on any SVT40, M91/30s, M44s, M38s or Ak47s. So why would they only grade the SKS45? "if thats what the mark means"
I don't know...
I don't own an SVT40 (yet...) nor any other russian gun. I own an M44, but it's a Polish one...
It'd be interesting to find out for sure though...
Exactly. There are probably a lot of people who don't want this to be true like the people who sell them. I know if I ever go buy another SKS I will get one with a number 1 on the base of the front sight just in case.
I'll go against the grain and put in a guess that (assuming that the number is on the front sights) it has to do with the height of the front sight blade .... IIRC there were front sight blades of different heights available for the Mosin-Nagant rifles, it's likely that there would have been different front sight blades available fo the SKS also. Only way to be sure would be to measure several samples and see if there's any correlation.
I would hope that they are not marks for accuracy....Imagine sitting in a trench with your buddy and looking over at his rifle to see a 1 and yours has a 3. Not great for morale....then again I am not sure that the USSR really gave a sh*t about morale....
LMAO....horrible!
Here is my 2 cents. My 5 IZH (4 tulas; 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954 and 1 Izzy 1954) welded follower plugged rifles have no numbers stamped on the front sight. My 2 franken pinned rifles (53 Izzy and 54 Izzy) both have a 1 stamped on them. My SVT40 with pitted frosted bore has a <3> stamped on the receiver shank. What does this tell me? Nothing. With the SKS the accuracy goal was 16" at 300 yards, give or take a bit. Would a sniper grade shoot 13" at 300 yards? My SVT40 shoots just fine with the crappy bore and I have seen rifles with pristine bores shoot like crap. I can not see the exporter firing each rifle to accuracy grade them. Maybe the military arsenal that they were stored in graded them on what the bore looks like during the last refurb process. Perhaps the IZH batch which was from Ukraine was not subject to this inspection...? Or perhaps all the rifles from Russian Depot 1 were stamped 1? I think the stamp is a non-event on the rifles.
Here is my 2 cents. My 5 IZH (4 tulas; 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954 and 1 Izzy 1954) welded follower plugged rifles have no numbers stamped on the front sight. My 2 franken pinned rifles (53 Izzy and 54 Izzy) both have a 1 stamped on them. My SVT40 with pitted frosted bore has a <3> stamped on the receiver shank. What does this tell me? Nothing. With the SKS the accuracy goal was 16" at 300 yards, give or take a bit. Would a sniper grade shoot 13" at 300 yards? My SVT40 shoots just fine with the crappy bore and I have seen rifles with pristine bores shoot like crap. I can not see the exporter firing each rifle to accuracy grade them. Maybe the military arsenal that they were stored in graded them on what the bore looks like during the last refurb process. Perhaps the IZH batch which was from Ukraine was not subject to this inspection...? Or perhaps all the rifles from Russian Depot 1 were stamped 1? I think the stamp is a non-event on the rifles.
That's the problem with getting information from the internet, we never know. The last site I posted about had a moderator inbox me telling me the information was translated from a Russian military document. I think there is enough evidence to buy the rifles with the number 1 on the front sight. If you have the option between a 1 and a 3 and it's not a big inconvinience, why not error on the side of caution?
Sorry no it would not be "A" it would be "O" for one "ODIN" it sounds like "ADIN" but it is written "odin"
As to numbers there is 1 2 and 3. I don`t know who and how started this theory of accuracy.
Every rifle is shot 60 rounds when it is manufactured it could be market for accuracy but I don`t know if it is true.
Sorry I could not shine any light on your delema.
As to numbers there is 1 2 and 3. I don`t know who and how started this theory of accuracy.
Every rifle is shot 60 rounds when it is manufactured it could be market for accuracy but I don`t know if it is true.
Sorry I could not shine any light on your delema.
So you would have a "1" in crappier condition than a number "3"? I just think you would be pissing off the vendor more than anything and for a rifle that goes for two yards, it isn't worth the hassle.
Hearsay is just that and that is why it is not allowed in the court of law. There's no way to verify if it is true so you might as well say a fairy told you so. Also, what about the ones that aren't marked with either a 1, 2, or 3? Are these spetsnaz special forces rifles?
