I would like to thank the posters who so "patiently" and "classily" let me know that it is OK to be a bit skeptical of some of the "tac drivin" claims I hear from time to time! Sometimes I am tempted to call claims for what I believe them to be - BS. It is not often that I get frustrated enough to throw down the gauntlet and say, "OK, let's see you prove it right now"! I shoot 3000 -4000 rnds a year, off of bags, out of rifles that are essentially "sporter style". I am not a competition shooter but know just how difficult it is to put five shots (or even 3) under a dime with any caliber, let alone, to do that consistently.
Precision Shooting Reality
- Thread starter JEC
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canucklehead
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Calgary, AB
Toomanyguns - while I don't know you, or anything about you, your arrogance and supposed 'excellence' in long range shooting sounds like standard internet BS. Do you work at Wholesale Sports by any chance?
If you can shoot 1/4 MOA 'All day long' at a range greater than 300 yards in a wind greater than 0 mph, I would guess you would be in the top 1% of all shooters worldwide. Even if your rifle was a '0 MOA' shooter, it's HIGHLY unlikely you'd be able to shoot 1/4 'all day long'.
Even if other guys are beating around the bush by not calling you a liar, unless I see targets and proof, I'm calling MASSIVE BS.
146 rounds through the claimed rifle isn't even one day at the range for most shooters! "All day long". Jeepers man. That's less than 15 ten shot groups!
Sorry bud - your claims don't add up in my books.
But feel free to blab on about your 'top end gear' and your awesome long range prowess. I can't even believe someone is lame enough to brag about make believe shooting skills.
If you can shoot 1/4 MOA 'All day long' at a range greater than 300 yards in a wind greater than 0 mph, I would guess you would be in the top 1% of all shooters worldwide. Even if your rifle was a '0 MOA' shooter, it's HIGHLY unlikely you'd be able to shoot 1/4 'all day long'.
Even if other guys are beating around the bush by not calling you a liar, unless I see targets and proof, I'm calling MASSIVE BS.
146 rounds through the claimed rifle isn't even one day at the range for most shooters! "All day long". Jeepers man. That's less than 15 ten shot groups!
Sorry bud - your claims don't add up in my books.
But feel free to blab on about your 'top end gear' and your awesome long range prowess. I can't even believe someone is lame enough to brag about make believe shooting skills.
cdnredneck_t3
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Don't expect an answer to this one. He out and out chose not to answer my last question that was very similar.
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Where oh where is Toomanyguns?
canucklehead
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Calgary, AB
Ohh hahaha I just saw this now. Oh my.
1 bullet type, 1 primer, 1 powder and 1 type of brass. INSTANT 1/4 MOA groups. SOMETIMES BETTER. Holy smokes man. Do you even READ what you claim in these posts?
You're talking one second about 'shaking more as you get older', and talking CONSISTENT 2" groups at 800 yards the next. You're so full of it your eyes are brown.
Shot a young doe in the noggin out past 800 yards with it. Right in the ear hole where I aimed. Next time you are standing over a dead deer measure the ear hole opening.
1/4 MOA long range hunting rifle. Its a beautiful thing. Deadly accurate and deadly.
Just like the mailman poem: neither wind, snow, sleet or rain will prevent me from shooting 1/4 MOA again and again. Even got the illuminated reticle for low light applications.
1/4 MOA long range hunting rifle. Its a beautiful thing. Deadly accurate and deadly.
Just like the mailman poem: neither wind, snow, sleet or rain will prevent me from shooting 1/4 MOA again and again. Even got the illuminated reticle for low light applications.
rnbra-shooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- New Brunswick
It would be interesting to see the details of their guarantee (I couldn't find it on their web site after a quick peek; any idea where it might be found?).
canucklehead
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Calgary, AB
More bravado and claims of accuracy in all conditions from all ranges. But again, no proof. But, I guess my one shot groups at 800 yards are under 2" too.
Ya I would imagine it's a little dark under the bridge.....
If I had a rifle that did what you claim I don't think I would sell it....
You ought to try the rifle with the load advised by the builder. You'd be very impressed. I have other interests. No need to re-invent the wheel.
Is this the Twilight Zone?
Apparently any real value of further discussion in this thread would be for entertainment purposes only.A number of legitimate attempts had been made to open discussion that would be worth sharing.
A person has made claims which have been brought into question. Nothing addressed and nothing of value added .
Even for humor sake, the direction of the thread has become a waste of time.
Perhaps like a fair share of threads this individual has participated in,this one too, needs to be locked before it becomes even less than what it is.
Gord
A person has made claims which have been brought into question. Nothing addressed and nothing of value added .
Even for humor sake, the direction of the thread has become a waste of time.
Perhaps like a fair share of threads this individual has participated in,this one too, needs to be locked before it becomes even less than what it is.
Gord
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- inside a huge cloud of MOSQUITOS
Definitely one of the more interesting threads to come along in while.
I always thought that a 1/4 moa = .262".
Not a big deal at 100 yards but at 1000 it adds up.
All of my scopes (Leupold & NF) are either 1/4 moa or 1/8 moa adjustments.
Which scopes are made with inch adjustments?[/QUOTE]
The manual for my Burris Fulfield II states "Remember a scope with a click adjustment of 1/2" at 100 yards will require four clicks to move the same distance at 25 yards, Burris scopes have their click values indicated on a sticker under one of the turret caps. Under the cap it says 1/4".Their product guide shows all models except the EXT and show Dial Graduations(in./100 yards). My Burris Extreme Tactical has 1/4 MOA under the cap but nothing in the brochure that came with it.
Leupold scopes have 1/4 MOA marked on their scopes but the manual states "One-MOA moves the point of impact at 100 yards by one inch. At 100 meters, it moves 29mm.
The Hawke manual states, "Each click of adjustment is known as a 1.4" minute of angle (1/4" MOA). This means that one click of movement equates to 1/4" of movement on a target set at 100 yds distance.
I don't have any Nightforce or other high end scopes so don't know what their manuals say. It looks to me that much of the industry has adopted 1/4" clicks and advertise them as 1/4 MOA. It really doesn't matter to the average shooter but long range shooters may just have to go up an extra click or two if they figure in MOA. My ballistics program works in inches so I don't have a problem.
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I wanted to confirm that my scope (Nightforce NXS) moved as advertised. The turrets are marked 1/4 MOA. Went to the range and set up the tall target test. Worked out to be .259 MOA per click. Adjust drop chart accordingly. Not a big deal close in, but as has been mentioned already, makes a signifcant distance at long range.
they don't have the greatest website ever that's for sure. However Mike maintains good presence over there on Snipercentral much like Rick and others here.
sniper central review(pretty short)
http://www.snipercentral.com/tango51.htm
you can read an article on their website the SWAT april 2000 issue discusses how they build their rifles(was unable to link to it)
this thread has pics of the rifles along with groups
http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5256
No ideas what the details are but you could always email and ask, they seem like good people who stand behind what they build. I think there are one or two people on the board that even own one maybe they could pipe in.
edit
Just saw this thread where Mike responds to calling BS on his gaurantee
http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7281
Recent efforts have been directed towards controlling the beat of my large heart. I employ meditative relaxation techniques that reduce the rate of heart beat. I also practice with the aid of an audible cardiac monitor alarm to time the trigger squeeze.
My style of shooting does not involve a time factor thus I am able to focus on my cardiac control in between shots.
My style of shooting does not involve a time factor thus I am able to focus on my cardiac control in between shots.
