Peoples obssesion with Leupold Rifle Scopes

I got a Nikon ProStaff 3-9x40 with BDC for $160 new and it's been good to me for the last 3 years. Pretty comparable to Leup' in quality. I buddy of mine who is an avid hunter and has 25+ rifles too, was very surprized by what you can get for $160 from Nikon :)
 
Well I own a number of different european scopes and like them all but as for leupold they allow a simple or not so simple reticle change. I like dot reticles and none of the high end euro guys offer it so I purchased a used leupold 4.5x40 and sent it to korth. They charged me 97.00 including shipping. It took two weeks and in that price was a check up being as how the scope was used. Super service and quick turn around. This had nothing to do with it being broken. I will certainly consider them again.
 
best mid range scope for the $$ is Nikon IMHO, My buckmaster is far better for light gathering and image quality than my buddies bushnell 4200, and for $50 less.
 
Tikka#1,
The vast majority of Leupold owners never started there, they ended up there.
Everything that you are saying sounds like the same things I said when I was starting out, and thought the Bushnells that I could afford were a bargain. A few people warned me, but back then price mattered more and I was able to convince myself that I could get a Ferrari by paying for a Fiat.
Didn't quite work out that way, and believe me it is depressing to look in your cabinet and see bare rifles where scopes used to be. It took me 2 years to change out the fleet, and I now have more Leupolds than most gunstores. I've broken exactly none of them, which is as close to polar opposite as you are likely to get to my experience with bushnell.
 
All my Leupold scopes:

M8 Compact 6x42 on 222 since 1988- no problems
VarX-III 3.5-10 on 308 deer rifle since 1994-no problems
EER Scout scope 2.5 power since 2000 on a 308 "Tanker Garand"-no problems


One Nightforce:
NXS Nightforce 12-42, new purchase, so far so good, on a Remington 700 Varmint in 308

All the others:

Weaver K4 Challenger since 1978 on a 22 semi-auto-no problems
Weaver T-10 Microtrac since 2002 on a 22 bolt action-no problems
Burris Scout scope 2.75 power-loose reticle (great turn around time for repair in Colorado, about 3 weeks total)
Burris 2-7 power-same as above^^^^^^^^^
Redfield 2-6 power handgun scope-loose reticles (rotten turn around time, 3 months in Florida)
Bushnell Banner-tried to pull the eyeballs right out of my head (gave it away for free, to some-one else who didn't care)
 
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The vast majority of Leupold owners never started there, they ended up there.
Everything that you are saying sounds like the same things I said when I was starting out, and thought the Bushnells that I could afford were a bargain. A few people warned me, but back then price mattered more and I was able to convince myself that I could get a Ferrari by paying for a Fiat.
Didn't quite work out that way, and believe me it is depressing to look in your cabinet and see bare rifles where scopes used to be. It took me 2 years to change out the fleet, and I now have more Leupolds than most gunstores. I've broken exactly none of them, which is as close to polar opposite as you are likely to get to my experience with bushnell.

That isn't my situation at all.I started with Bushnell scopes,then tried a Leupold,and changed out all of my scopes to Leupold.I was happy,because I didn't know that it was possible to have a better scope.However,I made the mistake of using a friends rifle with a Zeiss scope,and after seeing the difference in optics,I changed out my big game hunting scopes to Zeiss Diavari models.Then I tried a Swarovski scope,and saw how I could get the same optics,but in a smaller and lighter scope than even a Leupold,so I converted to Swarovski scopes on my big game rifles.However,while scope shopping last year,I tried a Kahles scope,and found that is offered comparable product,for much less money than the Swarovski scopes,so my 280AI rifles wear Kahles scopes.I still own two Leupolds on my rimfires,and a VX3 on my varmint rifle,but I no longer hunt big game with a Leupold scope.
 
That isn't my situation at all.I started with Bushnell scopes,then tried a Leupold,and changed out all of my scopes to Leupold.I was happy,because I didn't know that it was possible to have a better scope.However,I made the mistake of using a friends rifle with a Zeiss scope,and after seeing the difference in optics,I changed out my big game hunting scopes to Zeiss Diavari models.Then I tried a Swarovski scope,and saw how I could get the same optics,but in a smaller and lighter scope than even a Leupold,so I converted to Swarovski scopes on my big game rifles.However,while scope shopping last year,I tried a Kahles scope,and found that is offered comparable product,for much less money than the Swarovski scopes,so my 280AI rifles wear Kahles scopes.I still own two Leupolds on my rimfires,and a VX3 on my varmint rifle,but I no longer hunt big game with a Leupold scope.


geez, i read thru your post and started to wonder if you were a lottery winner what with all that euro glass, then i see your from fort mac and that explains it:p

i have very limited knowledge of euro glass, but a guy at the range once let me put a few rounds thru his 7mm mag that was scoped with a zeiss diavari, and it still by far the clearest, brightest glass i have looked thru, i wish my glasses were that clear:(

this may sound bizarre, but the edge to edge view was amazing, i never even noticed the eyepiece ring, it was kind of like looking thru a monocle, just magnified ring of target and unmagnified surroundings:D

i've handled some zeiss conquest scopes in store and they were nothing like that diavari, but they are definately nice scopes nonetheless.
 
Tikka#1,
The vast majority of Leupold owners never started there, they ended up there.
Everything that you are saying sounds like the same things I said when I was starting out, and thought the Bushnells that I could afford were a bargain. A few people warned me, but back then price mattered more and I was able to convince myself that I could get a Ferrari by paying for a Fiat.
Didn't quite work out that way, and believe me it is depressing to look in your cabinet and see bare rifles where scopes used to be. It took me 2 years to change out the fleet, and I now have more Leupolds than most gunstores. I've broken exactly none of them, which is as close to polar opposite as you are likely to get to my experience with bushnell.

It's an expensive lesson that I never seem to learn. When it comes to optics I always seem to upgrade three times. It's much cheaper to spend the money and spend it once. I too once raved about how great of a deal Bushnell's were. Funny, now I have all Leupold, Nightforce, and leica.
 
It's an expensive lesson that I never seem to learn. When it comes to optics I always seem to upgrade three times. It's much cheaper to spend the money and spend it once. I too once raved about how great of a deal Bushnell's were. Funny, now I have all Leupold, Nightforce, and leica.

There is nothing wrong with working with what you can afford as we all start somewhere as dogleg points out. However with time money and age we all end up with............I now own zeiss, swarovski, leica and leupold. The old addage you get what you pay for truley applies. Save the money and buy the best you can afford is great advice. Bottom line don't be embarrassed if all you can afford it brand x. We all didn't fall out of the womb with a zeiss on our rifles. We did however end up there for a very good reason.
 
I wasent saying that Leupolds were bad scopes I was wondering why people were allways recomending them. There lower pricepoint offerings do not seem to be any better than offerings by bushnell, nikon ect... From what people are saying around hear is that at an equal price the only advantage seems to be the service when a scope needs to be repaired. I will admit that Leupold makes some good scopes in the price range $550 and up. But in the $400 and below market they same to be the same quality that is being offerd by the compatition. I dont like when people compare scopes by saying that I once oned a bushnell and it was crap so i switched to leupold. The thing that some of these people tend to leave out is that the bushnell that they had was a $150 scope and they spent $600 on their leupold. At that difference in price you should expect a siginifiant differnce in quality. And I am not a bushnell lover I just wanted to know why some people have this obcession with Leupold. I will admit that they do make some very nice higer end scopes but the guys who buy the higest end of Lepold for some reason will bash scopes of equivalat price made by some of the higher end manufactuers like swarski ect..
 
No. 1 reason for me is that Bushnell sells very few lower power scopes anymore. My favorite hunting scopes are in the 1.5-6X range and Leopold makes a bunch of scopes in those lower power ranges. Plus Leopold beats Bushnell in eye relief pretty much every time.

Back about 15 years ago, when it was Bausch & Lomb, I used to favor those scopes. I've still got a B&L Balvar 1.5-6X on my .338. It's been a great scope over many years of hard hunting. I've got a B&L Elite 3000 3-9X on my .30-06. Same deal. I've had it a long time and never a problem.
I don't remember the last time I had to adjust the POI on either of those scopes.

But if I were to head out shopping for a scope tomorrow, the first thing I'd run into is the fact that Bushnell doesn't sell a scope in the power range I want. End of story for me.
 
Yes, all Leupolds break, every single one! :rolleyes:


Manufacturers develop reputations because of the products they make and the service they provide. Leupold's reputation is well earned and certainly not the result of hearsay.

Oh.

So, how many Leupolds have you owned, and have any of them ever needed repair?
 
Oh.

So, how many Leupolds have you owned, and have any of them ever needed repair?


I have owned about 8 Leupolds, various generations. The only one that ever needed repair was a 20 year old Vari-X II which I dropped out of a tree stand. They rebuilt and re-sealed it, sent it back to me and charged $11.00 shipping. That kind of service is outstanding, especially for something that was completely my fault. It made me a Leupold customer for life,

Patrick
 
I wasent saying that Leupolds were bad scopes I was wondering why people were allways recomending them. There lower pricepoint offerings do not seem to be any better than offerings by bushnell, nikon ect... From what people are saying around hear is that at an equal price the only advantage seems to be the service when a scope needs to be repaired. I will admit that Leupold makes some good scopes in the price range $550 and up. But in the $400 and below market they same to be the same quality that is being offerd by the compatition. I dont like when people compare scopes by saying that I once oned a bushnell and it was crap so i switched to leupold. The thing that some of these people tend to leave out is that the bushnell that they had was a $150 scope and they spent $600 on their leupold. At that difference in price you should expect a siginifiant differnce in quality. And I am not a bushnell lover I just wanted to know why some people have this obcession with Leupold. I will admit that they do make some very nice higer end scopes but the guys who buy the higest end of Lepold for some reason will bash scopes of equivalat price made by some of the higher end manufactuers like swarski ect..

I don't believe there are any great differences in scopes up to the $400 mark, regardless of manufacturer.
Most if not all of these scopes will work quite well within the hours of legal hunting times in Canada.
Is a $2100 Zeiss/Swarovski 3 times better than a $700 Leupold? Not likely.
Is a $700 Leupold 3 times better than a $225 Bushnell? Probably not.

The differences from a good scope to a great scope are clarity under low light and high magnification, consistent adjustment, and durability. The fellows who do long range shooting certainly benefit from high end optics, but most of these scopes are too bulky for hunting,IMO. In countries where night hunting without artificial light is allowed, the large objective lense scopes are a bonus, hence the 56mm objective used to only be found on euro scopes. It's really not needed in North America.

As for warranty, I've had experiences with 3 scopes of different manufacture:

Zeiss 1.5-6x42 Diavari- Fogged up-Had to go back to Germany, old scope from mid 70's, cost $850 to fix, no warranty. Granted, it looked like hell, it had been there and back several times.

Bushnell-1.5-4.5x32 Elite 3200-Fogged up- 7 months turnaround, no charge. it's on my 22 now.

Leupold- 3.5-10x40 Vari X-III- Double vision - 2 weeks turnaround, no charge. Mount broke on gun and I didn't notice until I fired several rounds after, no doubt damaging what turned out to be the erector.

Most hunters would be better served with a good scope and a great set of binoculars, than vice versa. I see many with a $1000+ scope and a set of Tasco "opera" binocs.

The only thing Leupold I won't buy are their scope mounts.
 
People buy different scope for different reason... For me, buying Leupold was just the thing to do, since that's what my father (and his friends) bought...

Yep, they can be a little more expensive... but then again, they hold their value pretty good... and after a while, you always forget how much it was...

After 20 years of owning them, I finally had to sent one in for warranty work... an older 4x EER... something started to make a ratling noise inside...

5 minutes on the phone with Leupold tech support, I was given a RA# and sent my scope to them... and got it back 2 weeks later, with a detail work order saying what had been done/changed.

Total cost to me? $15 to ship it out...

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I not a die-hard fan... over the years I've bought some IOR, Weaver, Burris... but only because I thought I'd gotten a heck of a deal ;)
 
I buy VariX-III's or the VX-3's now I guess. Started with that level of scope over 20 years ago because I had a Weaver that shifted POI severely from what I thought was a love-tap of an impact. Missed a wallhanger from @150 yards. Never saw him again that year:( I have rifles that get babied and polished like gems and then I have hunting rifles. The guys here that get out of a truck and hike around know what I mean. I've had slips and hit my rifle against tree trunks. That's a sickening sound isn't it? Fallen on my face carrying a rifle off to the side in one hand. You name it. If the rifle leaves the truck and road to hunt on foot anything is possible. In these 20+ years of Leupolds I haven't had a scope shift and I also use their STD mounts because of the rear windage adjustment. Never had one of those come loose either.

I have an Elite 6500 now and really like it. But it's on a 10FCLP-K and won't see much abuse but I think they are tough well made scopes. Very bright and the adjustments are dead on as viewed through the scope with the rifle clamped in a rest and a target with 1" squares. Tracking is perfect too. I will be buying more 6500's.

Forgot to mention that I have never needed Leupold's warranty service but if I do I know it's always there. :)
 
I wasent saying that Leupolds were bad scopes I was wondering why people were allways recomending them


Probably because it's such a safe bet.
Lets say a poster asks what to put on his new to him '06 that he plans on using for deer, moose, elk, possums and firing in the air to celebrate things. I don't know his size, mounting requirements, ability (Or future abilities), or much of anything except that he needs advice, because he doesn't know what he needs.
I can just about guarantee that a 3.5-10x 40 VX-3 will fit on his rifle in low rings, be suitable to his or most other purposes, be pretty darn hard to break and is less likely than most to give him magnum cuts. It also has clean lines that don't look out of place on the fancier rifle that he may replace the first rifle with. It's hard to find a big-game application where that particular scope wouldn't work,recoil that will rattle it loose, a rifle it won't fit or a shooter that is so horribly deformed that he can't use it. Most people can buy one, if they really want.
Shooters who seek advice are for the most part trying to avoid expensive mistakes. Some are just looking for reassurance that their drugstore scope is as good as the solid upper midrange workhorses like Leupolds, or some of the Euro racehorses. For the sake of argument I'll say that those with the throughbred budget don't need advice. If they have the appreciation for finer things go right ahead. If you don't, but just want them for whatever status you think they will bestow on you then whatever makes you happy.
 
I wouldn't consider optical quality to be the most important criteria in evaluating a rifle scope. First would be durability, second would be predictable, repeatable adjustments, and glass quality would be third. A scope with the best glass available is useless if it can't hold zero.

The reason that Leupolds are so commonly recommended is that they have a good reputation for durability.
 
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