Encounter with a Game Warden

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I'm not sure if I'm in the wrong here so I'm asking your opinion.

I went away fishing at a friends camp in Westree, ON for the May long weekend. There were about 15 guys in total. I decided to through my 870 Wingmaster with slug barrel in the truck. "Just in case." I had a Ziploc bag with some slugs and bear bangers. We drove to a lake and launched the boat and fished for the day. When we got back to the landing and were unloading our boats, the game warden showed up. Okay, no big deal. He checked our licenses and coolers and everything was good. He then opened the back door to my truck and said, "Who's firearm?" I said, "That's mine." He said, "For what reason do you have a firearm in your truck?" I said, "I don't have a reason. I was going away fishing for the weekend and just thought I'd throw it in the truck in case I needed it."

"What would you need it for?" He asked. I said, "I don't know but if I did, I would be glad to have had it."

He took my gun and my fishing/hunting license, driver's license and my PAL to his truck to make some calls. The other three guys that I was standing with were all worried. I had actually forgotten that it was even in the truck. I had it covered up and out of sight and the truck was locked.

He comes back with my gun and said, "There's no plug in this shotgun, There's no trigger lock on it. You can't hunt with a shotgun with no plug in it and you don't even have a valid small game license." I said, "But I'm not hunting." He said, "I suggest that you keep this locked up at home and not bring it out if it's not hunting season." He said, "If I had caught you with this in the boat, you would be getting charged for poaching." He asked me, "Why wouldn't you have left it at camp?" I told him, "I don't know all of the guys at the camp, I'm not leaving it there with them." Nobody in the camp even knew I had a gun with me. I wasn't advertising. I told him that I did have a trigger lock for it at the camp in my duffle bag and told him that I would put it on when I got to the camp. I had forgotten that there was no plug in the gun, but again, I wasn't actually hunting. I went on to tell the game warden that I always carry a gun with me when travelling alone. It makes me feel safer. (God hasn't anyone watched Deliverance, Blair Witch Project and Wrong Turn?)

He wrote down all of the information off my shotgun and then gave me my shotgun back and drove away. I was so flusterred, that I didn't even think to ask him for my licenses back. So we're on the highway, half way back to Westree when I realize that he never gave me back my driver's license, PAL and hunting fishing license. I don't even know where the guys office is or what his name is or anything. He showed up at the camp in the evening and gave them back to me.

When I got back to the camp, I cut a stick for a plug and I put the trigger lock on the gun and locked it up in the truck out of sight.

So the next day we're out fishing and we packed up to go to another lake and saw two game wardens on the side of the road loading up a boat on a trailer. We pulled over to say hello and see what was new. One of the game wardens came over and chatted with us. He asked if he could have a look in our cooler and we told him sure. The second game warden was the fellow from the day before. He walked up and asked me where the shotgun was. I told him it was behind me, locked, with the plug in and stored out of site. He asked me again, what reason I had carrying a shotgun and I told him again, "Because it makes me feel safer." I didn't want to tell him that it was for protection from bears because then he might charge me with poaching bears, which I most certainly was not doing.

I was a little embarrassed in front of the guys I was fishing with because they all hunt but they're not quite into guns as much as I am and would never think of bringing a gun on a fishing trip. I wasn't showing it off or shooting at the moon with it at midnight so I don't see what the big deal is.

As far as I'm concerned, I didn't do anything wrong.
 
You're right, you did nothing wrong...congrats on keeping your COOL in a situation like that.:mad:
 
Don't feel bad... I once had a cop tell me that I couldn't drive to my hunting spot with my rifle out of the case with the trigger lock in my duffle bag. Those that should know, don't always.
 
Did you get your license back? I never had a CO tell me I can't target shoot before. Just bring some print out targets with you.
 
Most CO's are well versed in Wildlife laws, but not all are familiar with firearms laws. There is no law against driving around with a shotgun in the trunk, trigger locked or not...Also no laws against shooting tin cans at your buddy's camp. Why did he need your Driver's License?

IMO they would get more respect from people if they actually knew the laws.
 
Trigger locks are for Storage and plugs are for hunting....The gun was not in storage and you were not hunting...that's the way I look at it.

Looks like that CO was trying to flex some ....[edited]... muscles .
 
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As far as I know, there would be nothing illegal about having a shotgun for bear protection as long as you're not in a place where guns are prohibited like a National park. You're not poaching. If you did actually shoot one in self defense, you'd have to report it to the game warden and they'd confiscate it, that's all.

Guys carry guns for Polar bear protection in the Churchill area, there's no season and they're protected. Every now and then one gets shot, it's not poaching.

He may have been questioning you a bit more than usual since you really didn't give him an answer of why you had the shotgun. It's better to always have a reason, even if it's target practice or rabbit hunting.
 
From what I read and understand, you were fine. I don't see how or why the game warden would be able to say anything. Thier is no law against carrying a firearm for self defense. Although I agree with you in the sense that I wouldn't want to go through the legal hassel to prove him wrong.
 
I agree with bearkilr. The reason is that you didnt have an answer. Using it for target practice is your best answer. Be carefull saying that you use it for protection. (and not against bears) That could land you on the wrong side of the Criminal Code. Very few Canadians have permits to carry firearms concealed in there vehicles for "protection."
 
I would tell them it was for target practice. I think I will start to keep the gun regulations in my car. It depends who you get too, some are fun to talk to about shooting and hunting.
 
A trigger lock makes them happy. If they are happy you get to go fishing sooner. That being said I have a gun in my truck right now and no trigger lock. Go figure.
 
Well yes it would have made for one less thing.

But I was under the impression that the truck was left on a roads end or something for the guys to go fishing. If that were the case a lock would be required. However I just re-read the OP and that may or may not have been the case. I guess it comes down to one persons definition of a "remote wilderness area" over another opinion.
 
In Ontario if you have a gun in your possession, the game wardens think you are hunting and you have to prove otherwise, regardless of whether there is game in the area or what the season is. Just because there aren't any migratory birds migrating through your area in January doesn't mean you aren't hunting migratory birds. You have a shotgun ...

In fact, in Ontario generally it seems the legal principle of "presumption of innocence until guilt is proven" doesn't operate. There it seems to be that you are guilty of existing and of doing whatever it is you are doing, but officials have the option to decide to let you off according to their whims of the day.
 
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