Final loads for my old '73 (photos)

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Boys, this 119 year old Winchester Model 1873 has become one of my all-time favourite rifles. This old timer earned its keep a century ago, judging from its worn, but completely original appearance. When I hold this old '73, I think of a late 1800's farm yard just a few miles north of the Vermont-Canadian border. In the valley is a ripe corn field, bounded by a cedar rail fence, nestled in the Maple-covered hills. Half the leaves have fallen. It is the end of October, late in the day, and woodsmoke curls up from the chimney of the house. At the far end of the corn field, a couple Whitetail deer cautiously feed on some cobs, but the farmer, he's already got his venison for the winter, thanks to his Winchester Model 1873 that someday, more than a century in the future, will be greatly enjoyed and cared for by myself, and add another Whitetail deer to its tally.

There was a long time when I thought little of the 38-40 cartridge, preferring its slightly bigger brother, the 44-40. But after getting my first 38-40 (originally known as the 38 W.C.F.) in the form of an old Winchester Model 1892 made in 1913, it rapidly became one of my favourite cartridges. Then I began to read of those who had taken many and large Whitetail with this classic cartridge, and I realized that I had badly underestimated it. It is coming with me this fall to make venison one more time.

I like handling this old rifle, often taking it down just to hold it in my hands and feel the history silently spoken in its appearance. Here's a photo of the old timer getting some attention ....

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I wanted to develop a smokeless load for this rifle that would duplicate original black powder ballistics, but at a pressure that was less than or equal to black powder and give me decent accuracy. Of the powders I have on hand, these criteria restricted me to Alliant 2400, IMR SR4759 and Accurate 5744. My trials with 5744 ended abruptly after my first trip to the range ...... the pressure was simply too low to properly bump up the soft-cast bullet, giving five-shot groups at 100 yards that were 7 or 8 inches. I noted that the faster the burn rate, the better the accuracy. Both 2400 and 4759 gave decent five shot groups just over 3" at 100 yards, but after quite a few trips to the range as I tweaked the load to give me in the low 1,300's fps, it became evident that 2400 had a slight edge over SR4759 due to its slightly faster burn rate. Both loads, however, give decent accuracy so they will both go down in my books as final loads, but I will be loading the 38-40 using 2400 from now on.

My final 'Pet Load' for the Winchester 1873, 38 WCF (aka 38-40) is 13.5 grains of Alliant 2400 under a 188 grain RCBS cast bullet for 1,320 fps. Here's the final 100 yard, five shot group I shot at lunch time today ....

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My 'back-up' load for the Winchester 1873 38-40 is 17.5 grains of IMR SR4759 under the same cast bullet for 1,328 fps. Here's the final 100 yard, five shot group I shot late last week before I tweaked the front sight to center things up a bit better ....

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A word about accuracy:
The groups you see above are both five-shot groups taken at 100 yards with the original open iron sights on this old gun. The 2400 load group is 3 & 1//4" and the SR4759 group is 3 & 3/4". Now I know that there are fellows who can't sleep at night if they can't put five rounds into 3/4" at 100 yards and who would consider these groups jaw-dropping bad. Well, let me say, boys, that there can be a lot more to shooting and hunting than putting bullets into 3/4" at 100 yards. If I can't hunt and shoot with a old classic gun, then it's hardly worth doing. This old '73 has rifling that is half worn away and there are several pitted areas up the bore. The bullets I shoot are plain base cast. I could use gas checks or filler to improve these groups down to probably 2", but I like to make cheap bullets and I don't know if I'll always be able to get gas checks. I also love this old rifle, so the challenge was to get the best accuracy I could with the the criteria I impose upon myself. I will be hunting at less than one hundred yards, and the shot will be most likely around 50 yards, judging from past experience where I hunt. So a five shot group of 3 & 1/4" at 100 yards will allow me to put a bullet right exactly where it is going to count. Last fall, I used an old 44-40 to put venison in the freezer, now it is the 38-40's turn.
 
Well, let me say, boys, that there can be a lot more to shooting and hunting than putting bullets into 3/4" at 100 yards. If I can't hunt and shoot with a old classic gun, then it's hardly worth doing.
Well said Kirk. Takes a bit getting used to but it sure makes for some great entertainment.:)

The 38 WCF doesn't seem all that easy to come across. Great rifle!
 
Great post!! For a performer and an old friend like that, perhaps give it a well deserved rest but 'final loads' and full retirement. No, not if it's truly an old friend and favorite:).
 
A word about accuracy: The groups you see above are both five-shot groups taken at 100 yards with the original open iron sights on this old gun. The 2400 load group is 3 & 1//4" and the SR4759 group is 3 & 3/4". Now I know that there are fellows who can't sleep at night if they can't put five rounds into 3/4" at 100 yards and who would consider these groups jaw-dropping bad. Well, let me say, boys, that there can be a lot more to shooting and hunting than putting bullets into 3/4" at 100 yards. If I can't hunt and shoot with a old classic gun, then it's hardly worth doing. This old '73 has rifling that is half worn away and there are several pitted areas up the bore. The bullets I shoot are plain base cast. I could use gas checks or filler to improve these groups down to probably 2", but I like to make cheap bullets and I don't know if I'll always be able to get gas checks. I also love this old rifle, so the challenge was to get the best accuracy I could with the the criteria I impose upon myself. I will be hunting at less than one hundred yards, and the shot will be most likely around 50 yards, judging from past experience where I hunt. So a five shot group of 3 & 1/4" at 100 yards will allow me to put a bullet right exactly where it is going to count. Last fall, I used an old 44-40 to put venison in the freezer, now it is the 38-40's turn.

LOL! Well stated (overall post). Those rifles do have a very strong appeal. At a recent gun show I was very tempted to acquire a very nice replica (Uberti) 1873 Short Rifle in .45LC.

Having read your post, I'm once again filled with a "craving" even though I do not hunt deer very often. Question - what would be a comparably better chambering in such a rifle i.e. a 44-40 or the 45LC?
 
I have had the opportunity to shoot my fathers '73 Uberti Replica in 44-40 quite a bit. With factory ammo (remington lead) we were very impressed with the accuracy of the sights and rifle out to 200yds. It was really little problem to smack 200m chickens regularly off of shooting sticks making 5-8" groups. I would like to find someone interested enough in making some soft based and hard nosed lead bullets for hunting with this rifle. It has a wonderfully nostalgic feel, which I believe is our OP's driving facination for this wonderful project. I believe the deer at the end of this rifle is in serious trouble, 'cause Fudds don't miss.....
 
Question - what would be a comparably better chambering in such a rifle i.e. a 44-40 or the 45LC?
Well .... it depends upon what you mean by 'better'. If by 'better' you mean harder hitting, then the 45 LC would be the one. Original Model 1873's were not chambered in that caliber, but I think you can get modern ones that are. The modern ones will be made of stronger steel and, of course, their bores will be pristine. There isn't a lot of difference between the 44-40 and the 38-40. I've chosen to keep the 38-40 to original BP ballistics, but there are published loads for the 38-40 that make up for the slightly lower weight difference in the bullet (in my case, my 38-40 bullets are 12 grains lighter than a 44-40 bullet). The caliber of the 38-40 is actually .401 and the 44-40 is .429, so not a lot of difference there either. Still, the 44-40 has the edge on the 38-40 if you are going after larger game such as bear and Moose. For deer, it isn't likely going to make any difference at all whether you go with the 38-40 or the 44-40. The 45 Colt, however, will definitely give a more solid punch with its 250 grain bullet, if you are thinking of Black Bear or Moose. With the 38-40 and 44-40, you should probably keep your hunting shots at 100 yards or less. With the 45 Colt, you could extend that to 150 yards. I know lots of fellows have dropped their deer with the 44-40 at 200 yards and sometimes more, but I prefer to play it safe when it comes to a clean kill, so keep my ranges relatively short.
 
Thanks Kirk.....

I usually run to the EE looking for that choice deal.
Not this time.
You captured my attention with that fine jewel.
Thanks for the great read.
Now you have me thinking about that old 1886 resting on an old
fireplace mantel forgotten about we discussed quite a while ago.
Speaking about old forgotten Winchesters, my old 1892 44-40 must
feel abandoned as well.
Can't remember when the last time the firing pin hit a primer.
 
Well .... it depends upon what you mean by 'better'.

Appreciate the insight. In my case, it will likely be a replica....I much prefer irons over scopes and given the hunting conditions in ON (at least in my case) where shots aren't much further than +/- 100yds.

I've recently discovered that my eyesight is not what it used to be, however, I am still able to use open sights reasonably well. Anyway, to me, the idea of scoping a lever action is just not appropriate.

BTW, those later images depict a handsome looking rifle.
 
While it isn't an authentic chambering for a '73 Winchester, the .45 Colt has the advantage of being easier to reload than .44-40. Carbide dies are available, so case lube isn't required, and the brass isn't prone to buckling at the shoulder the way it is with the .44-40.
 
While it isn't an authentic chambering for a '73 Winchester, the .45 Colt has the advantage of being easier to reload than .44-40. Carbide dies are available, so case lube isn't required, and the brass isn't prone to buckling at the shoulder the way it is with the .44-40.
I've reloaded for the 45 Colt and still reload for the 44-40. Once the dies are set up properly, with a very slight flare at the case mouth, there's no problem loading the 44-40. I've not buckled a case in years. I don't use case lube either.

Ahsan, I've found the solution to your (and my) problem. Take one of those self-sticking little dots about 1/4" in diameter, and punch a tiny hole in the middle. Peel and stick to your glass lens. Sharpens everything right up.
 
Ahsan, I've found the solution to your (and my) problem. Take one of those self-sticking little dots about 1/4" in diameter, and punch a tiny hole in the middle. Peel and stick to your glass lens. Sharpens everything right up.

Interesting idea.....I do recall reading about a similar solution mentioned on a US site.

Haven't had a need for glasses, so far :). However, for the past few months while handling my CF rifles (at home) and pointing to bushes aprox 100 yds away during failing light conditions I've found the front post is not in very sharp focus as it used to be even as late as last season.

Perhaps it might be prudent on my part to use the ML for both Antlerless and Controlled hunts this season - the fibre optic sights on my TC Triumph are great. I'm still planning on acquiring a Uberti 1873 though.
 
As always, your posts are a treat to read. I'm also a big fan of your photos, too! Very nicely done. I am also finding myself drawn to the oldies in a big way. This year I'll be toting my 113-year-old Win 1894 in .38-55 stoked with lead bullets and blackpowder when I go to fill my whitetail tags. My poor stainless savage bolt action will be sitting in the truck as a backup, and I plan to leave it there!

Erik.
 
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