Or shall I shutter and say monetary influences? There, I said it! I feel cleaner now.
Attention IDPA Members - Rules Addemdum
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Or shall I shutter and say monetary influences? There, I said it! I feel cleaner now.
IDPA is a "for profit" buisness organization.... and the main shareholder sells both custom ar15's and custom shotguns as well as 1911's so that may be a factor.... but still the BoD would have to approve it as a direction that "IDPA Inc." wants to go.
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That was a great stage Tim! Pirates of the Skeena I think it was called. Very realistic. I SO'd a top shooter from a foreign country that forgot to shoot one of the three pirates.
Greg
That was a great stage Tim! Pirates of the Skeena I think it was called. Very realistic. I SO'd a top shooter from a foreign country that forgot to shoot one of the three pirates.
Greg
also this rule kind of sucks, whats wrong with using 45 auto in your 454/45colt revolver ? with the PF being the same the recoil would be equal and the cost of .45auto is about half of what 45 colt sells for. especially when used in ESR where the gun meets both weight and barrel length restrictions.
(using 45 auto via monclips for ESR) granted I could also use .45colt using moonclips as well I just find it cheaper to shoot 45 auto then 45 colt.
The popularity of 3-gun competition is growing exponentially in the US.
My guess is IDPA inc. just wants to expand it's appeal or get on the train before it leaves the station...
http://www.3gunnation.com/
Unlike here in Canada there can be big $$ involved in the shooting sports...
I've been to 3-gun events in the US where there are literally tens of thousands of dollars worth of prizes up for grabs.
I can see some profit driven orgs. getting nervouse about membership migrating to other games...
667,
IDPA is promoting "multigun" not 3 gun competition... not sure what the difference is but bob pointed that out over at idpa canada.
another good 3 gun site, http://www.michigan3guncombat.com/
IDPA is presently undergoing a study of .38Spl factory ammunition. Once it is completed a new min. PF floor will be established. In speaking to HQ they tell me the new PF will not be put in place until Jan. 1/11. I agree with your sentiments.
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Bob
No, a lot of clubs have been shooting IDPA based multi-gun with various versions of rules in the US. Some of the versions can be found on the IDPA Forum Stateside. It was the IDPA members who have been requesting a formal set of rules for Defensive Multi-Gun and IDPA obliged. There will be some interest in this format of shooting no doubt. Whether or not local IDPA clubs have enough volunteers to run both sporting disciplines will be very much club dependent.
I recently helped SO a local multi-gun match run by John R. It seemed like a great deal of fun and it has me looking for a rifle/carbine to shoot. Anyone know where I can pick up an AR with a 9MM top end?
Kudos to John for running a very safe and well organized match.FYI it is against the rules of IDPA to give out prizes based upon performance. Prizes are given out by draw only and not by where you finished in the match. We still are shooting for 12 cent certificates and the glory of being able to brag for five minutes after the shoot.
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Bob
but why would it, as long as they meet power factor it should be a non factor... like really, they allow 40S&W in a 10mm for example the cartridge dimension difference is approx the same as if 45auto vs 45gap. pictures below.
Yes and also those .38spl shooters who discovered it was faster to reload with shorter cartridges. The .38spl case is long and can be cut back considerably and still be loaded to make PF. As it now stands there is nothing to stop S&W or Ruger from coming out with a .45GAP revolver I guess. The advantage of the GAP over the .45acp case for reloading is marginal but a short .38spl case is a whole different animal. That said, Tim even though the GAP is not that much sorter than the .45acp it does make a difference in ease of reloading. The shorter the case, the less chance of misaligning the cases to the cyliinder.
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Bob
I'm with you on this. Not to mention the ban on "recoil-reducing devices". I guess that would put an end to my three-gun days because while I CAN shoot a match with a conventional stock on a shotgun, it leaves my left arm pretty much useless and me chewing on ibuprofen for the rest of the day. Whereas my Knoxx stock lets me use my arm afterwards.
Wouldn't defensive shooting include being able to actually FUNCTION after the firefight?
Or at least not be in pain at the end of the match?
Actually it has been in the works for over a year now. The reason IDPA decided to introduce a formal set of rules is due to demand from IDPA shooters.
Tim Cox wrote "IDPA is a "for profit" buisness organization.... and the main shareholder sells both custom ar15's and custom shotguns as well as 1911's so that may be a factor.... but still the BoD would have to approve it as a direction that "IDPA Inc." wants to go."
Bill Wilson has made all the money he has via Wilson Combat and certainly doesn't need this sport to drive his business interests.
While IDPA is registered as a "For Profit Company" the fact is IDPA runs at break even at best. While I am not privy to the company's financial statements based upon membership and my estimated costs to operate the sport my calculations would indicate a break even position at best. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Bill isn't providing financial support directly. The reason for the "For Profit" designation is Bill Wilson and the BoD can keep control of the sport, and it seems to work rather well. Guns made by Wilson Combat hardly dominate the equipment field at major matches.
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Bob
I'm not defending the decision, just giving my opinion on why they instituted it.
The GAP round making power floor with a 230 gr. round nose makes the 625 a clear (like head and shoulders) winner in the class. The loading speed between GAP and 45 Auto is considerable, and the recoil on a slow, fat .45 is a joke.
Loading .40 is obviously quicker than 10mm, but making PF with 40 S&W makes it a bit snappier than the .45.
I think they are simply trying to level the playing field so that everyone isn't gravitating (or feel the need to) to one platform - the mighty 625.
Hey I shoot a 4.2" Ruger SuperRedhawk so am not #####ing just for the sake of #####ing, I have done alot of work and plan on sending the gun cylinder down to TK custom to get moonclipped so I can be competitive with the 625's..... now this decision would mean I would have to stick with 45 colt in moonclips as opposed to using 45 auto which is cheaper and more readily available. (box of 45LC is $45, box of .45ACP is $23-$25)
so for me it is not all about 625's... I just want to be able to use 45 auto in my 454Casull/45LC marked gun
the super redhawk is comparable in size to the 625 bob, ESR has a 50oz weight limit and SSR only has a 42oz limit....
since the gun is 4.2" and makes it a US Legal gun I have to follow all US rules goverining it and must make weight for class.... the canadian "exemption" does not apply. (I confirmed this with you last year)
from factory the weight is 52oz's with the 7.5" barrel and I have not weighed it since cutting, but doubt it would make 42 oz.
Looks like you are stuck Tim. Can you get moon clips to fit for .45LC? You have a great gun for bear protection, not so good for playing IDPA.
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Bob
Yes I can get moonclips for 45LC but that is not the point, why am I a not allowed to use equal ammunition to a 625.... as I said, ammo for the .45auto is HALF price.
the last batch of reload's I got for 45LC have a 20% failure to fire rate so I am not trusting reloads anymore and am only shooting factory 45LC.
and as you yourelf said, 45auto being shorter would be easier/faster to reload.... why is IDPA HQ making ESR a S&W 625 only division ?? if they ae concerned about 45GAP then make aruling stating all brass must conform to factory spec's. ie: No Shortening.
the last batch of reload's I got for 45LC have a 20% failure to fire rate so I am not trusting reloads anymore and am only shooting factory 45LC.
and as you yourelf said, 45auto being shorter would be easier/faster to reload.... why is IDPA HQ making ESR a S&W 625 only division ?? if they ae concerned about 45GAP then make aruling stating all brass must conform to factory spec's. ie: No Shortening.
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