Browning Hi-Power - SA only service pistol?
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Why get rid of a pistol that does the job. Military police JTF or special ops may need a glock or other more modern DA pistols, but the grunt on the ground is well protected by the tried and true Inglis rugged dependable with new mags. 13 shots and made of steel.We may need a new rifle but the Inglis is low on the Army priority list to be replaced for the next ten years.
The yanks screwed up by replacing the old 1911A1, hope we do not do the same..My opinion for what its worth...
IMAT
Why get rid of a pistol that does the job. Military police JTF or special ops may need a glock or other more modern DA pistols, but the grunt on the ground is well protected by the tried and true Inglis rugged dependable with new mags. 13 shots and made of steel.We may need a new rifle but the Inglis is low on the Army priority list to be replaced for the next ten years.
The yanks screwed up by replacing the old 1911A1, hope we do not do the same..My opinion for what its worth...
IMAT
"...replacing the old 1911A1..." Most of 'em were worn out. Going to the Beretta was a political decision. Other NATO countries were complaining about the U.S. not buying kit from them vs the amount of kit sold to them. Not that it did Italy much good when Beretta built the plant in the U.S.
"...Browning Hi-Power for some time..." Since W.W. II. Current issue pieces were all made then. 1943 to 1944 only as I recall. I understand there are still brand new pistols in storage. If and when the CF officially adopts a new pistol, the Inglis BHP's will be chopped, not released.
"...DA capability a significant factor..." Nope. Pistols are mostly a status thing. If a troopie has to use one to defend himself, he's made a serious tactical error.
"...Browning Hi-Power for some time..." Since W.W. II. Current issue pieces were all made then. 1943 to 1944 only as I recall. I understand there are still brand new pistols in storage. If and when the CF officially adopts a new pistol, the Inglis BHP's will be chopped, not released.
"...DA capability a significant factor..." Nope. Pistols are mostly a status thing. If a troopie has to use one to defend himself, he's made a serious tactical error.
While there are still Inglis pistols is decent condition in the system, a lot are long past their best before date. At least new commercial magazines have been purchased.
Even then, the pistols are not trouble free. Parts availability is another issue.
DA only is a design resulting from perceived safety issues, and has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the pistol. Certainly does not enhance performance, and increases training time.
DA/SA is silliness. Go with one or the other, two different trigger pulls makes no sense at all. In the 1930s it seemed like a good idea at the time. Times have changed.
The nature of the Afghan experience has resulted in pistols being more widely issued than previously. The days of a pistol being a badge of officers' rank are long gone.
Even then, the pistols are not trouble free. Parts availability is another issue.
DA only is a design resulting from perceived safety issues, and has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the pistol. Certainly does not enhance performance, and increases training time.
DA/SA is silliness. Go with one or the other, two different trigger pulls makes no sense at all. In the 1930s it seemed like a good idea at the time. Times have changed.
The nature of the Afghan experience has resulted in pistols being more widely issued than previously. The days of a pistol being a badge of officers' rank are long gone.
The cost of a new polymer pistol like a Glock 19 for a military buy is around $265. Lets round up to $300 and lets say we buy 20,000 of them. That’s 6 million dollars, not a lot for a defense contract. Now if the Government was smart they would sell off the HP in batches to the US where collectors would snap them up, likely recovering up to 50% of the cost of each new pistol.
Sadly the government would not do such a wise thing and would rather spend about $200 per pistol making sure it’s destroyed.
Weight is another factor, a G19 is around 21 ounces unloaded and the HP is around 34. That does not sound like much, but with the weight creep in soldiers gear, that 13 ounces is a significant difference.
Sadly the government would not do such a wise thing and would rather spend about $200 per pistol making sure it’s destroyed.
Weight is another factor, a G19 is around 21 ounces unloaded and the HP is around 34. That does not sound like much, but with the weight creep in soldiers gear, that 13 ounces is a significant difference.
Yeah a great system unless you are left handed. The saftey is righty only and so far I have not seen anyone willing to install an ambi one. So that leaves a lefty with not fast or practical way to take the pitsol off safe.
YMMV
Shawn
The new Mk III BHPs come with ambi safeties and decent sights. I wonder if FN could be persuaded to leave out the magazine un-safety in a sufficiently large order.
The CF could defray the cost of buying new BHPs from FN to a considerable extent by surplusing the Inglis guns. I'm sure that collectors would be willing to pay a significant premium for any unissued ones that might be in storage. Of course, we all know the likelihood of that happening.
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I agree, DA on a pistol is of no benefit, and DAO is worse. A clean single action pull provides the shooter with the least amount of disruption to his sight picture during the firing stroke, so why is a heavy DA pull seen as an advantage? It's as if pistol design has regressed since 1911.
