Italian M14 update thread anything new as of 2011 now

Sorry to jump in here John but what sort of time-line are we looking at for when these Italian m305's will be available to me?

Thanks
 
UPDATE;
The Italian M-14s will have wlanut stocks....
We have a few un-expected bumps in the road....
Will keep all of you posted....
John
 
johnone said:
TACTICAL VIRUS;
What do we look for ?
Of course you must have a PAL.... You must be able to pass a security check.... Be registered with the Controlled Goods Directorate.... in short, a spotless background....

Able to use a computer running e mail programs, excel, Word, Wordperfect, speak, read and write English, French an asset, other languages welcome.

Be able to speak and work with the public, our customers cover the whole field, from very limited knowledge to very advanced collectors and shooters....

Marstar serves police depts, MOD in Canada and abroad, several foreign governments, many industries in munitions and weapons production, we also provide most of thw weaponry seen in the motion pictures of the past 25 years....

As for experience, the more the better.... As for the military it depends on what you did in the forces....

AT the moment we have employees who are specialists in many fields, sales, public relations, advertising, firearms, munitions, we have a computer "teckie", a professional photographer, web master, machinist, etc, etc....

As we speak we have employees hard at work in Europe, the Middle East, Africa and the Far East.... We offer something for everyone.

Marstar is planning some very interesting projects for 2010 so we will be looking for some unique individuals.
John
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OK and and im a licenesed General Tool Machinist, where you i send my resume lol
 
well I was going to hop in the Norinco m305B but i know I'll be kicking myself when these Italian m14's become available, so I'm going to wait for the Italians to come .

I like the idea of a nice walnut stock........###y.....so ###y....gives me wood!!!!!
 
I can't wait to see those, I never wanted to give in to the chinese gun... or the over expensive american gun.
 
Pier said:
well I was going to hop in the Norinco m305B but i know I'll be kicking myself when these Italian m14's become available, so I'm going to wait for the Italians to come .

I like the idea of a nice walnut stock........###y.....so ###y....gives me wood!!!!!
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There is a saying on another forum I frequent; GET BOTH! :D
 
My prediction:

Regardless if someone owns a forged Norinco/Polytech M14S receiver or a brand-X (cast or forged??) Italian M14 receiver, or for that matter an SAI M1A - folks will still be on the never-ending hunt for legit USGI parts to make it as good as the prohib M14's are/were.

If you're a builder, buy a Norinco now, start collecting the necesdsary parts (made easier now that 762mmfirearms exports USGI parts to Canada), and build a proper M14 clone.

If you want a pretty shooter right out of the box that is not USGI milspec but probably works just as well in most circumstances, wait for an Italian one.

Simple, huh?
 
johnone said:
UPDATE;
The Italian M-14s will have wlanut stocks....
We have a few un-expected bumps in the road....
Will keep all of you posted....
John
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will be a treat to see these rifles when they do come in.
If you are making a list John...... I'll take one , consider it a preorder :D ..... I'm after the lowest serial number you can put aside hehehehe
and my wife was reading over my shoulder when i was reading your employee requirements above and said i should go work for you LOL.... she wants to move to Ontario for her work...... i said .... if only marstar would move to B.C. hehehehe
 
If you want a pretty shooter right out of the box that is not USGI milspec but probably works just as well in most circumstances, wait for an Italian one.

What makes you say this ?
The Italians made MILSPEC garands and a whole bunch of the Garand parts are the exact same part as found on a M14 ,so what makes you think that the M14 clones will not be milspec ?
I have read reports of issues with some of the 7.62mm parts not being milspec on another forum . Issues have been found with their ejectors and firing pins not fitting USGI bolts and 1 gent was having some trouble with his trigger group . I wish 7.62 all the best in the world and I hope they get the bugs worked out on these parts because I like you welcome another vendor stepping up to the place and even try to tackle something like this . M14 parts manufacturing is something not for the faint of heart .I am glad to see someone even try to make an attemp to make these parts for us M14 /m305 enthusiest .
I have a couple of their TIN coated pistons ,they look great ,but I will have to give a full report after I fire them .
 
mikebaker1129 said:
What makes you say this ?
The Italians made MILSPEC garands and a whole bunch of the Garand parts are the exact same part as found on a M14 ,so what makes you think that the M14 clones will not be milspec
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Maybe I'm wrong, BUT, I will tell you why I do not believe the Italian M14's will be milspec.

1) Only Beretta and Breda made M1 parts. I know for a fact that John is not buying them from Beretta as I talked to their Canadian rep last week and he told me flat-out Beretta was not the maker. Breda no longer exists as a gunmaker.

2) Milspec means much more than copying a drawing. Making milspec guns on a commercial scale (say, under 10,000 units) is HUGELY expensive. Prohibitively so. This is because in order to achineve US Government milspec, you have a LOT of hoops to jump through. Some of those include:

a) All base material has to be procured with a mill cert from the steel mill guaranteeing the metal composition within very tight parameters. Then you have to randomly sample the billets prior to forging to make sure the mill cert matches the material. This is expensive.
b) At each manufacturing step of each parts lot, you have to do random destructive testing. If you have a failure, you have to scrap THE WHOLE BATCH - not just the one failed part. Again, hugely expensive.
c) Each step of manufacture has to be documented with a Statement of Quality Requirements (Milspec SOQR) and Objective Quality Evidence (OQE) has to be produced for each parts batch, including NDT of every part, random dimensional inspections, radiography, etc. This is all manually done by people, not CNC machines, and is VERY expensive.
d) To be milspec, the parts ALL (individually) have to be gauged for interchangeability. If some parts don't interchange, that whole manufacturing run has to be SCRAPPED. Again, cost-prohibitive.

Basically, I don't think Marstar could profitably sell true milspec guns in Canada. I do not believe it would be possible without government-size contracts to produce milspec parts in Italy at a price point John could sell them for in Canada, especially not when Chinese M14's that are pretty decent are selling for under $500.

Do I think most or maybe even all these Italian guns will have parts interchangeability with a real M14? Yes, probably they will. Do I think they will be true milspec? Not on your life. No modern gunmaker makes milspec parts without a government contract. Period. They do not sentence entire parts runs due to isolated failues - it's too expensive. They do not NDT every part. Too expensive.

Follow my logic?
 
Claven2 said:
Maybe I'm wrong, BUT, I will tell you why I do not believe the Italian M14's will be milspec.

1) Only Beretta and Breda made M1 parts. I know for a fact that John is not buying them from Beretta as I talked to their Canadian rep last week and he told me flat-out Beretta was not the maker. Breda no longer exists as a gunmaker.

2) Milspec means much more than copying a drawing. Making milspec guns on a commercial scale (say, under 10,000 units) is HUGELY expensive. Prohibitively so. This is because in order to achineve US Government milspec, you have a LOT of hoops to jump through. Some of those include:

a) All base material has to be procured with a mill cert from the steel mill guaranteeing the metal composition within very tight parameters. Then you have to randomly sample the billets prior to forging to make sure the mill cert matches the material. This is expensive.
b) At each manufacturing step of each parts lot, you have to do random destructive testing. If you have a failure, you have to scrap THE WHOLE BATCH - not just the one failed part. Again, hugely expensive.
c) Each step of manufacture has to be documented with a Statement of Quality Requirements (Milspec SOQR) and Objective Quality Evidence (OQE) has to be produced for each parts batch, including NDT of every part, random dimensional inspections, radiography, etc. This is all manually done by people, not CNC machines, and is VERY expensive.
d) To be milspec, the parts ALL (individually) have to be gauged for interchangeability. If some parts don't interchange, that whole manufacturing run has to be SCRAPPED. Again, cost-prohibitive.

Basically, I don't think Marstar could profitably sell true milspec guns in Canada. I do not believe it would be possible without government-size contracts to produce milspec parts in Italy at a price point John could sell them for in Canada, especially not when Chinese M14's that are pretty decent are selling for under $500.

Do I think most or maybe even all these Italian guns will have parts interchangeability with a real M14? Yes, probably they will. Do I think they will be true milspec? Not on your life. No modern gunmaker makes milspec parts without a government contract. Period. They do not sentence entire parts runs due to isolated failues - it's too expensive. They do not NDT every part. Too expensive.

Follow my logic?
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Are you sure your not confusing original milspec certification with production batching?

-Dave
 
Regarding the Italian M-14....
YES it is an ongoing project, as are several others....

I am now very hesitant to give any further details such as delivery etc....
John
 
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