Shooting and drinking?

I think I'm missing the part where because you would like to have a drink that you'll become a drunk sloppy mess who is going to become reckless with a gun and run over little old ladies and small children on the way home? If I have a few beers at home I don't grab my gun and go hog wild. Why would it be different if I was at a range, finished my shoot, packed my gear and enjoyed a cold beverage?
 
coldblood said:
I wonder after drinking and eating, are you all good fellas gonna drive you car back home or you gonna take a cab? You know, let alone drinking and restraunting, but to top it all, drinking and driving? Hmmm....
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Drinking at a licensed shooting club after shooting is no different than a glass of wine with dinner at a restaurant.

I believe that HGC is still a licensed establishment and has been for decades. Possibly centuries.
 
The risk that some shooter might get behind the wheel after having had one too many at a gun club with a licensed facility is no more than presented by millions of people who visit bars, taverns, pubs, nightclubs and restaurants across Canada. It's probably less given the additional complication of having guns in your vehicle if caught while impaired.

But if one beer makes you tipsy or you can't stop drinking once you've started then it's probably best for you to stick with Diet Coke not just at the range but everywhere.

Here's link to a blood alcohol guide. Read the disclaimers, insert your data and find out what your limits are.

http://www.ou.edu/oupd/bac.htm
 
coldblood said:
I wonder after drinking and shooting, are you all good fellas gonna drive you car back home or you gonna take a cab? You know, let alone drinking and shooting, but to top it all, drinking and driving? Hmmm.... nicely played, gunners, nicely played. :slap:
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There's a big difference between having a drink and getting drunk. The Swiss custom of drinks at the range seems like a most genteel one to me.

The fact that places with more relaxed attitudes toward alcohol often have fewer problems with alcohol abuse reinforces my belief that if you treat people like children, they will act like children. If they are accustomed to always being told what to do, they will not exercise proper self-restraint in when they are not being restrained from above. Conversely, if you treat people like responsible adults, they are far more likely to understand that they are responsible for the consequences of their actions and conduct their behaviour accordingly.
 
coldblood said:
First off, please don't change my posts when quoting. It's uncalled for.
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Actually, its a valid literary device; commonly used on blogs and forums.

If I plan to have a drink with dinner at a restaurant, I come and go by cab.
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Good for you. You know you limits and act accordingly.

Please, name the shooting clubs you belong to that allow you to drink while shooting.
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The Hamilton Gun Club. They don't allow actual drinking while shooting, but that's not what the OP asked. See below.

25 Straight said:
Stupid question--- How many of the clubs you guys belong to allow consumption of alcohol while shooting, or on the club property during shooting hours
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coldblood said:
First off, please don't change my posts when quoting. It's uncalled for. Second, you think it's no different, I think - it is. If I plan to have a drink with dinner at a restaurant, I come and go by cab.

So far I hear blah blah blah. Please, name the shooting clubs you belong to that allow you to drink while shooting. I wonder how their range rules and license look like. I also would like to hear the opinion of the club owner regarding this subject. I wonder if he/she thinks that having a glass of wine in premises is the same as having a glass of wine at the restaurant.
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In addition to HGC, Galt Sportsmens Club has a licensed facility on the second floor of the club house. Bridgeport Rod and Gun is another. In both places no one drinks while shooting but can and do drink after finishing shooting for the day.

Having a glass of wine at either club is exactly the same as having it at a restaurant as both are licensed facilities under the Ontario Liquor Act.
 
I think I see a funny little side story here. Some believe drinking is ok, some not. The ones that say not, don't think the ones that do should. Similar to people without firearms? The ones who don't shoot say "why do you need to own guns, they're for killing people" and in this forum "why do you need to drink, you'll just drive a car drunk and kill people".

I find it amazing how we as gun owners expect non owners to come to our side and understand our wants when we here cannot see from the others side views. What happened to being open minded and seeing the situation from both sides?
 
Some of the comments here don't quite square up. Because of the posters extreme sensitivity about edits I have bolded the relevant portions.

coldblood said:
Funny responses. You can do whatever you find right. I am not your mom. This is my point of view, you like it or not - don't drink and drive, don't drink and shoot. Yes, even one beer. Both clubs I belong to have ZERO alcohol policy on premises and I am very happy about it. As for harmless drinking while shooting, I will see you all at the bottom line of the upcoming hunting season accidents count. Good luck!
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Great. The clubs you do belong to have a ZERO alcohol policy. But then you say

coldblood said:
I said "please". Means, I asked you nicely. Also means that I don't care if it's common or not.



Nothing to do with my limits.



I am not the OP. And I asked a different more specific question. I am going to satisfy my curiosity and email the club to ask how the family membership goes together with parents having a beer while shooting clay.

As I said before. I stick to my guns (pan not intended) - I personally think that shooting and drinking does not go together. You however, (general "drinking and shooting" you), can do whatever you want.
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Do your belong to Hamilton Gun Club? If so you were inaccurate in your first post. If you don't belong there why would you bother contacting them about their serving of alcohol when the club is licensed?

Do you intend to contact other clubs you don't belong to as well?
 
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coldblood said:
Open minded, you say... Wanna match the statistics below "drunk drivers kill people" with "drunk shooters kill people" because somebody is "open minded" enough to drink and shoot? I bet this will give you a HUGE leverage to attract new shooters. I always thought that it's a safety of the sport will attract more shooters. Not when they think that they might be killed by a drunk club member (sh*t happens, ya know).


" Fatalities

In 2007, it was estimated that 3,045 individuals were killed in motor vehicle crashes in Canada. MADD Canada estimates that at a minimum 1,239 of these fatalities were impairment-related. Moreover, in MADD Canada's opinion, the 1,239 figure is a conservative estimate, due to the underreporting that results from the inability to test surviving impaired drivers and reliance on police reports.

As well, the 1,239 fatalities do not include individuals killed in impaired crashes on the waterways. In 2005, it was reported that there were 126 boating fatalities, 47 of which involved known or suspected alcohol use. Nor do the 1,239 fatalities include fatalities arising from aircraft, trains and industrial vehicles such as forklifts.

Given the limits on the 1,239 fatalities figure, MADD Canada estimates there are somewhere between 1,350 and 1,600 impaired crash fatalities in Canada each year (3.7-4.4 deaths per day).

Injuries

In 2007, it was estimated that about 359,310 individuals were injured in motor vehicle crashes. MADD Canada estimates that approximately 73,120 of these individuals were injured in impaired driving crashes (roughly 200 per day). Note that this figure is limited to motor vehicle crashes only."

source: ht tp://madd.ca/english/research/magnitudememo.html
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Clearly what this country needs is motor vehicle control, not gun control. It's obvious from the facts presented in this quote that licensing motor vehicle operators, registering commercial and passenger vehicles, legislating insurance requirements, passing and enforcing speed limits and other traffic laws, setting minimum driving and minimum drinking ages, setting legal blood alcohol limits, and violating civil rights with check stops and photo enforcement have all been completely ineffectual at reducing either the risk or the occurrence of traffic injuries and/or fatalities.

To put it bluntly, all of the efforts of all the busy bodies, social engineers, and self-appointed saviors of us all, have done f*ck all to help mankind. The stats don't lie.* They unequivocally show that the vast majority of citizens make billions of motor vehicle trips safely every year. Meanwhile, a small minority of miscreants cause mayhem and get away with slaps on the wrists.

How do the logic-challenged react to all this? You guessed it - they'll create more rules for everyone to follow. Tragically, all the rules and all the laws only serve to shackle innocent bystanders. Criminals and idiots have always been, and continue to be, undeterred by the law. We taxpayers are the fools for continually buying the "we'll protect you" Kool-Aid.

*The stats don't lie, but they're so easy to spin and no self-respecting "liberal" ever passed on a chance to spin them.
 
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Claybuster said:
Some of the comments here don't quite square up. Because of the posters extreme sensitivity about edits I have bolded the relevant portions.


Great. The clubs you do belong to have a ZERO alcohol policy. But then you say


Do your belong to Hamilton Gun Club? If so you were inaccurate in your first post. If you don't belong there why would you bother contacting them about their their serving of alcohol when the club is licensed?

Do you intend to contact other clubs you don't belong to as well?
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Though he states (general "drinking and shooting" us), can do whatever we want, it seems coldblood intends to trumpet his disdain from HIS percieved moral high ground and let "make the owners think" about what he sees as flawed policy (family membership availability, in a club with access to a licensed lounge). Zero Tolerance for him, so ZERO TOLERANCE FOR ALL!!

But, I probably mis-understood, what he actually meant. And I'm sure he'll correct me.
 
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