The plug laws are stupid and antiquated anyway. They were designed to curb market hunting. You should be able to carry a box mag of 20 shells if you wish -- as long as you don't exceed the legal limit of birds. More guys would get their limits quicker and be out of the field and not educating the other 20 flocks they fling shots at.
Ghost Round? Floating the fourth?
- Thread starter Jay
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Don't worry Jay, I love to debate and have no desire to argue either. Our Alberta regs read:
I think most people, myself included until I learned of this 'ghost loading' took that at face value. I don't think it would be wise to try and load a fourth shot because if you do get caught you will have a legal fight on your hands and chances are you would lose. Then the authorities might look at it and say "ok, if some guns can do that obviously all repeaters are capable of it so lets restrict everyone to one shot in the magazine" It doesn't take much for them to change laws and make things rougher for the majority. Myself I don't really care much. When I'm just pissing around like I was yesterday I only load 2 in the mag anyways. (I'm not fast enough on a pump to do any damage with a 3rd shot
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I think most people, myself included until I learned of this 'ghost loading' took that at face value. I don't think it would be wise to try and load a fourth shot because if you do get caught you will have a legal fight on your hands and chances are you would lose. Then the authorities might look at it and say "ok, if some guns can do that obviously all repeaters are capable of it so lets restrict everyone to one shot in the magazine" It doesn't take much for them to change laws and make things rougher for the majority. Myself I don't really care much. When I'm just pissing around like I was yesterday I only load 2 in the mag anyways. (I'm not fast enough on a pump to do any damage with a 3rd shot
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i had a super 90 that you could load a round on the elevator . i am not sure how i discovered this but i always considered it a novelty thing and i did not use the gun that way in case i messed it up . i have a modified 870 that will hold four 2 and three quarter shells but only three 3 inch shells .what is your take on the legality of this gun .
With or without the plug?
M12shooter
CGN frequent flyer
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- East St. Paul, mb
I almost never put more than two shells in my pump. If you can't do it with two then the third will more than likely just keep the ammo company in buisness. My dad used to call that third shot a "CIL shot"...re: Canadian Industries Limited ammo division for the younger people on this board!
A magazine plug restricting your magazine to two shots can be easily made to make your gun legal. Buy a strudy diameter wooden dowel and experiment with the length to restrict it to two shots, 2 3/4 or 3 inch.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
My guess is that if the ministry checks your empty gun, which they do by checking the magazine length inside, you'd be fine. If he checks your loaded gun, you're screwed.
Myself, I don't feel it's worth it in the first place, but if I did, I'd ask the local C.O. his opinion on the matter before I got caught.
Myself, I don't feel it's worth it in the first place, but if I did, I'd ask the local C.O. his opinion on the matter before I got caught.
I shoot doubles so I don't care much. Still, since the 3 shot rule was to comply with an international migratory bird treaty it might be more important what it says than how your provincial regs are worded. The intent is clear enough.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
'Intent'
That's exactly how a judge would see it.
If a gamie or anyone else has gotten physical hold of your loaded gun, you deserve the ticket. The VERY first thing I do when I see that a CO or LEO wants to talk to me is unload the gun and lock the action open -- makes them happy and I aim to please . If they don't get your loaded gun, the issue of intent is dead.
. If they don't get your loaded gun, the issue of intent is dead.
- Location
- London, Ontario
I wouldn't risk it...its max 3 shots by "law"...
You can load four in the old Beretta 302 and Browning B80 as well.
The judge has to enforce the law as the law is written,not on how he thinks it should be written.Years ago in Alberta,the regulations stated that in some zones,a bull elk must have at least five points extending at least 3" long off of the main beam on one antler.A hunter was charged because on the elk he killed,the main beam extended less than 3" past the start of the fifth point.The officer's interpretation was that all six points must be three inches long,but the hunter was found not guilty,because even though that may have been the intent of the regulation,that was not how the regulation was worded.The main beam clearly is not a point extending off of the main beam.As a result,the wording of the regulation was later changed.
This guy wouldn't happen to be a certain well known call manufacturer with his own line of waterfowling videos? The same fellow who is persistently dogged by rumours of game bird reg violations in AB and Sask?
I wouldn't do it, just don't think it is worth it.
If someone is worried about getting off more shots faster, practicing your reloading techniques would be much more beneficial. If you have fast and furious bird action happening, a good reloading technique will get you your birds faster!
If someone is worried about getting off more shots faster, practicing your reloading techniques would be much more beneficial. If you have fast and furious bird action happening, a good reloading technique will get you your birds faster!
M12shooter
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- East St. Paul, mb
Whats the point of it? If a duck or goose hunter can't do it with three rounds then IMO a fouth will make little or no difference. Concentrate on proper gun mounting, lead, shooting techique, etc. A lot of shooters would be better off going back to a single shot and learning to make the shot count instead of being worried about how much flak they can put out.
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