M1 Garand What do you think?

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So I'm thinking about buying an M1 Garand for an all purpose kind of rifle, for both target shooting and hunting. So I'm just wondering would this rifle be a good choice for that, and what should I look for to avoid a lemon.
Thanks.
 
I am a huge fan of Garands. I love mine.

Pro's
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- Your going to need one in your collection sooner or later, you might as well buy one
- Great accuracy
- Great reliability
- Extremely fun
- 30-06 good for most north american game
- you can't get enough of that satisfying *ping*
- non-restricted
- get a bayonet and join the silent drill team. ;)

Cons
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- a bit clumsey if you ever want to mount a scope on
- bit bulky for hunting, but many people do hunt with it.
- 30-06 ammo is expensive
- you have to be carefull what ammo/powder/bullet you use, you use or you could bend your op rod.

As far as getting a lemon, I suspect your biggest worry is a shot out barrel/throat or bent op rod. Visually inspect the rifling in the barrel, make sure it is bright and pit free.


p.s. When you wipe the follower, don't let the bolt slam on your finger. I found that out the hard way.

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Owch. Thxs for the info. You can reload ammunition for the M1 right? I'll be honest this would be my first gun and no I'm not gonna buy a 22 just to learn on. I want something I'm gonna use with history and something super dependable.
 
Yes, it is very common to reload for the M-1.

It HAS to be: they are hungry critters and feeding them is such fun.

You can get all the equipment to start up from Lee Factory Sales for about 100 CanBucks and go from there.

The military M-2 Ball load used about 48 grains of 4895 powder with a 150-grain bullet. Stick with that and you will have NO problems. It is also a nice, accurate load.

Get yourself set up and then come back here if you want more help. Lotsa guys here with experience loading for the Garand.

BTW, 4895 powder was developed specially for this rifle/cartridge. It is used in a lot of others because it proved to be very versatile, but this is its original 'home'.

Have fun.
 
Owch. Thxs for the info. You can reload ammunition for the M1 right? I'll be honest this would be my first gun and no I'm not gonna buy a 22 just to learn on. I want something I'm gonna use with history and something super dependable.

I reload my Garand ammo. You have to use lighter bullets and powders that fall into a certain burn rate. I have had great luck with ~48 grains Win748 and 148 gr - 155 gr bullets.

The Garand has history and is super dependable.

As far as a .22 for your first gun, thats what I would recommend. I was the same way when I started, I was forced to use a .22 and I hated it. Now, after more than 25 years of shooting, I reach for my .22's more and more.

In my opinion, a Garand for your first gun may be a mistake. Some find the kick to be fairly hard and you don't want to develop a flinch as a new shooter.
 
As far as a .22 for your first gun, thats what I would recommend.

+1. OP, you are not going to own just one rifle in your life, you will have many. And one of them (probably more) will be a rimfire. I own 5 rimfire rifles and 1 rimfire pistol (with more to come), it is the greatest training calibre around and tons of fun to shoot for almost no cost. Standard quality .22LR is around $25-$30/500 rounds. Even reloaded 30-06 is $0.50-$0.60/round, with free brass. You can shoot 500 rounds of .22LR for the same price as 60 rounds of cheap 30-06. Which do you think will make you a better shot?

I will agree with smak daddy for the most part, but I would advise against scoping a Garand to preserve it's value, drilling and tapping for a mount will devalue it a bunch. Also, a Garand is a heavy pig of a rifle at around 11lbs with a full clip and sling mounted. Packing that over a mountain is not a good time. That said, I plan to take mine out one day this fall to see if I can't put a nice whitetail or mulie in the freezer with an old school classic battle rifle. Will it work as well as my scoped bolt action 6.5x55? No, but it will be challenging and fun for one day.

Buy a Garand? Absolutely, they are fantastic rifles. Also buy a rimfire? Definitely.

Mark
 
M1 Finger?

I am a huge fan of Garands. I love mine.

p.s. When you wipe the follower, don't let the bolt slam on your finger. I found that out the hard way.

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I've seen quite a few M1 thumbs. First time I've seen a M1 finger though. You're probably lucky it wasn't a Ljungmann AG 42B. And wipe that blood off that stock.

As an aside here, a lot of people don't know how to load a M1 Garand properly. First of all, your 8 round en-bloc clip should be loaded with the last round on the right side when viewed from behind. This does two things, it makes it easier to push down into the rifle, and it gets your thumb a bit higher when the bolt slams shut.

When you insert the clip, you pull the operating rod handle back to lock the action open. You place the clip into the top of the rifle, but before pushing it down, you put your right thumb on the top of the clip, and extend your fingers down the right side of the stock, pointing downwards, with the side of your hand in front of the operating rod handle, and your palm against the stock. When you push downward, and the clip releases the operating rod, it will move forward a bit, and be stopped by the side of your hand, but will be under tension. Raising your wrist and hand smartly upwards, rotating it at the wrist so that the fingers are parallel with the barrel allows the action to close and chamber a round.

M1 thumbs are funny....as long as it happens to someone else. If someone took a movie of a new AG42B owner trying to load ammo into it on the range, you could probably get free beer for a week just for showing it. THAT is a train wreck waiting to happen.
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The Garand is a great rifle, a bit heavy for a hunting rifle but it will work fine. Reloading is the way to go with the Garand as surplus ammo is pretty much not available anymore in Canada.
 
Funny about the finger incident. Today I got a Garand middle finger. Luckily I had a rag to take most of the impact.

Great rifles, I have 3 of them, one of them in 308.
I'm using 49gr of Varget with 150gr bullet. I'm getting great results. I will try the H4895.
 
So you think the M1 Garand would be a good rifle to move up to after I use a .22 for awhile? I really love the look and the history of the gun I also like the Lee Enfield I'm kinda torn between the two because of budget reasons.
 
Get both. But then, I don't have to say that because you WILL end up with both, sooner or later. The problem is simply 'which one first?'.

You can solve that problem by putting away some cash every paycheque and keeping your eyes open viz. a rifle. Hang around here and learn all you can so that you can make a wise purchase when a good one pops up. Every rifle has its peculiar problems and you will have to know about these in order not to waste your hard-earned money.

Then, once you have made a purchase, find out what you ARE getting out of it and tune it so that you are getting the most. Many people seem to think that a Lee-Enfield is a 4-MOA rifle. That's funny: if they didn't shoot 2 MOA, back in 1916, they weren't even allowed out of the factory.

Given a good barrel to start with, I can tune an SMLE for about 1.5 minutes, a Number 4 the same and there are lots of guys who can do the same for the Garand. I'm no super-genius gunsmith, either. I started off just like you, knowing nothing, and I learned. So will you. And you will have a LOT of fun learning it, too.There are lots of guys on here who are willing and even eager to help, and there are even more over on Milsurps dot com, including some of the VERY best.

Recoil could be a factor in your choice, also. Recoil between the Lee-Enfield and the Garand is approximately equal when measured on a recoil dynamometer, but the Garand FEELS as if its recoil is much less. Lee-Enfields give you a smack, Garands give you a shove. This is because the gas action of the Garand then reloads the rifle and takes time to do this.... so it SPACES OUT the SAME amount of recoil over a longer TIME, which gives you a lesser degree of PERCEIVED recoil. That said, we look at the other side of the coin and find that the old SMLE had FOUR different lengths of buttstock, so you could fit your rifle to YOU for less perceived recoil and better control. As if that weren't enough, the Number 4 which replaced the SMLE had SIX lengths of butt!

As to scoping your rifle without ruining its value as an original piece, there DO exist mounts for the Number 4 which you can attach without wrecking your original rifle. Our friend GAIRLOCHIAN spends time on this forum.... and he also makes a very good mount of this type which just happens to be the cheapest one on the market. There is a no-gunsmith mount available also for the SMLE. And there are no-gunsmith mounts available for the Garand; they replace the rear sight in its pocket and necessitate using a 7-shot non-ejecting clip, but they do work. On the other hand, there is a little trick you can do with a Garand rear sight so that, for most shooting, you don't need a scope. I have written on it before, so won't repeat myself here.

And, just so you have an idea in what illustrious company you will be moving, I might point out that both James Paris Lee and John Cantius Garand were Canadians. Lee was born in Scotland, came here at age 6, did all his designing here and moved to the US to manufacture and sell his designs. John C. Garand did the bulk of his design work while employed by the US Government. Between them, they armed the Free World for a century.... and BOTH men's rifles are still doing precisely that today.

But save your money, learn all you can and then, when the Perfect Deal surfaces, you will be ready for it.

In the meantime, hang around here and Milsurps and learn everything you can. It's free.... and there are no friendlier people than gun-nuts..... or nutz, as the case may be!
 
x2 on buying both - I'm a Brit originally so sorta grew up on the Enfield and am still a big fan but the Garand is really something special. I have a Korean War vintage one that I shoot three or four times a year ( prefering to put rounds and wear and tear on the M14 ) and nuthin' legal can give you as much of a hoot as expending 8 round ( yes 8 ) clip after 8 round clip of 30-06 at a hapless paper target :)

Oh, and yes, you will get a Garand Thumb at some stage and yes, it will sting !

btw - if you hunt with one you will need 5 round clips.
 
Thxs for all the info guys I will take it to heart for sure. Beleive me I know you must see noob questions all the time, and I appreciate the quick answers. I thank you again for helping me.
 
Better choice than a SKS.

Really? I'm about to receive my PAL any day now and was dead set on buying one*. Its ammo is the cheapest next to .22LR (well, except 9x18mm, but that's another story) and the gun itself is about as expensive as the plywood it's made from. Of course I'll buy a .22 at the same time, but hey, for $700 you get 2 rifles and about 3000 rounds.

That said, how would I go about actually 'finding' a Garand? I've never seen one in a gun store and can only find parts online. I don't mind shelling out several hundred for a decent one, but I gotta find one first.



*First purchase but not first rifle. 3 guns are to be transfered to me as inheritance, including a 1942 No.4 Mk1*.
 
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Really? I'm about to receive my PAL any day now and was dead set on buying one*. Its ammo is the cheapest next to .22LR (well, except 9x18mm, but that's another story) and the gun itself is about as expensive as the plywood it's made from. Of course I'll buy a .22 at the same time, but hey, for $700 you get 2 rifles and about 3000 rounds.

That said, how would I go about actually 'finding' a Garand? I've never seen one in a gun store and can only find parts online. I don't mind shelling out several hundred for a decent one, but I gotta find one first.



*First purchase but not first rifle. 3 guns are to be transfered to me as inheritance, including a 1942 No.4 Mk1*.

The Garand is a better all purpose rifle because it is chambered in a reasonable hunting calibre. An SKS is fine for plinking and making noise, but not much else. If your purpose is to learn to shoot well, a quality rimfire is a much better tool for that than the SKS. And when I say quality rimfire, I don't mean a 10/22. Look at bolt action rifles from CZ, Brno, even Savage. Buy lots of ammo and learn the techniques, then practice regularly.

Finding a Garand will involve searching classifieds and the EE. A decent one will run you around $800 +/- at current rates if/when you find it.

Mark
 
An M1 weighs 11 pounds? How about 9.5 pounds! (I just weighed mine). A clip of 8 rounds is still NOT gonna make it to 11 pounds

Oh by the way, An M1 gets heavier as you get older. when they gave my first one at age 18, it didn't seem heavy at all. At 73 it is definetly heavier;)
 
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An M1 weighs 11 pounds? How about 9.5 pounds! (I just weighed mine). A clip of 8 rounds is still NOT gonna make it to 11 pounds

Yup, the "book weight" of an M1 sans ammo,sling, and bayo per FM23-5 is 9.5 lbs. There are variations in weight depending on type and density of stock wood. Some of mine feel distinctly lighter or heavier than others.

I well remember lugging the heavier FNC1 as a young sprog. Once your arm muscles got conditioned to it, the weight really did'nt seem to be an issue.
 
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