Bd-38 & bd-3008

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guess_kto said:
That's reasonable, but RCMP is clearly over reacted. There are way to show that some open bolt designs are not the same as other open bolt designs.

I personally don't blame the SK business. I would blame people who would transfer blame for one bad deed to others... e.g. person used Mini-14 for bad deed = must ban all Mini-14, etc kind of "logic" because following that logic, the person who suggest it, must have his balls cut off because some criminal used them in crime of rape or something. :popCorn:
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You are right but to some extent only. Those are 2 different sutiations here. What happenend this week is a clear case of someone who rocked the boat to hard. Any clear minded adult would have anticipated RCMP's/CFC's reaction.......

I remember when I was a kid and my little brother did something my mom did not allow..... She sent him to his room..... Then, my brother pleaded ''Mommy, Simon did it too''............. We both ended in our room !:bangHead:
 
I just don't understand why anyone would have to feel backed into the corner. Is this something personal or can this be done dispassionately and professionally?
 
Deckard said:
I just don't understand why anyone would have to feel backed into the corner. Is this something personal or can this be done dispassionately and professionally?
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it certainly show someone lack of professionalism and utter disdain for other people.. Would you really buy anything from someone like that.. and then is seems we have a new guy one post wonder pop into the thread 6 or 8 times only to find it's the guy...
 
simonyzer said:
You are right but to some extent only. Those are 2 different sutiations here. What happenend this week is a clear case of someone who rocked the boat to hard. Any clear minded adult would have anticipated RCMP's/CFC's reaction.......
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The reaction from the RCMP/CFC to building sten guns in Canada was anticipated from the very begining.

When a licenced firearm manufacturer builds a model of firearm that he has not previously produced he must send it to Ottawa for inspection, that's the law, it's what manufacturers do. It's hardly rocking the boat.

How can any reasonable person have a problem with that ?
 
shagpile said:
The reaction from the RCMP/CFC to building sten guns in Canada was anticipated from the very begining.

When a licenced firearm manufacturer builds a model of firearm that he has not previously produced he must send it to Ottawa for inspection, that's the law, it's what manufacturers do. It's hardly rocking the boat.

How can any reasonable person have a problem with that ?
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Here is an example f one of your conversations with the CFC, taken from the internet. I am sure you see no problem with it:
(email from ######## to Murray Smith at the firearms lab after his sten mkV failed the tech inspection):perhaps you would explain why my guns are subjected to tests and procedures that others are not subjected to ? Why is it that my guns often fail the " easily converted " test when there is not a single semi automatic in Canada that can not be easily converted ?

Take the SKS rifle for example, as you well know these can be easily converted to fully automatic fire in a couple of minutes by inserting a piece of wire the trigger mechanism, yet the SKS is ok ! Huh?

How many readily available SKS rifles are in the country 200,000 ? 300,000 ? or more ? the numbers are staggering. Why do you not prohibit all the SKS rifles in the country ? But then of course it's not so easy to take on hundreds of thousands of gun owners is it ? it's easier pick on the little guy who makes a few old fashioned guns for collectors. This is blatant discrimination.


Shame on you Mr Smith.


Mick Boon





PS, Despite repeated requests you have not even put in writing that you will approve as restricted an exact copy of the already approved as restricted Sterling Police Carbine. Will you ever address this ?

Don't think for one second that I am asking you for any favours, I have bought and paid for a firearm manufacturers licence, and I am not about to throw in the towel.
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In it you sound like a spoiled brat, with no regard to other people.
 
So the twit is taunting the RCMP and now wants to see the SKS's among others get banned.. Boy really standing up for gun owners rights isn't he...
 
stencollector said:
Here is an example f one of your conversations with the CFC, taken from the internet. I am sure you see no problem with it:


In it you sound like a spoiled brat, with no regard to other people.
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It looks like I am very pissed off, and for good reason.
 
shagpile said:
It looks like I am very pissed off, and for good reason.
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What reason your inability to play within the rules as evidenced by your multiple bans here among other things?
Your lack of business acumen?
Or your utter disdain for the firearms community in general?

and you think this will help you and if you ever do get something approved trust you and buy something from you...

Better go back to selling water rights and land off the coast of Florida..
 
shagpile said:
Get a grip on reality.
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I live in the real world.. I don't taunt the RCMP or screw with other people for my own twisted sense of self worth...

If I was to have failed so miserably at converting guns to semi auto I certainly wouldn't be posting it on the web or complaining about other guns...

I'd be proving that I can do what I set out to do or getting out of the business..
 
bear.23 said:
I live in the real world.. I don't taunt the RCMP or screw with other people for my own twisted sense of self worth...
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Read the emails below and tell me that they deserve respect.



Dear Sir:

Your ########, Sten, Mk3, Serial Number SS309CA, arrived at RCMP, Specialized Firearms Support Services Section (SFSS) by mail on 2009-09-22. Upon arrival it was removed from the shipping container and recorded prior to being placed in the queue for inspection. At this point it was noted that bolt was in the forward position and could not be moved to the rear. It was observed that the recoil spring had moved to pass between the bolt and the receiver tube. Once the spring was unthreaded from the bolt and removed, the bolt moved to the rear and can no longer move forward as the trigger appears to be disconnected from the sear.

As the trigger mechanism is sealed and the bolt handle is permanently fixed in place, we are unable to perform any testing with this model. Therefore this firearm is being returned to you for further repair/modification.

When you have completed whatever action is required to make this ########, Sten, Mk3, Serial Number SS309CA function, you may return it to Specialized Firearms Support Services Section.





Dear Mr

This sten is equiped with a bolt handle safety and a sear disconnect safety. The bolt handle safety locks the bolt in the forward position until released by pulling the bolt handle outward. This safety is designed to prevent the gun from going off accidentally if dropped onto it's butt, or if the bolt handle gets snagged. It is this safety that initially prevented the gun from being cocked.

When the return spring was removed so too was the tension holding the bolt handle in place, this allowed it to return to it's firing position.

I can't see how it's possible for the return spring to become wedged between the bolt and the receiver tube.

The sear disconnect safety is activated and deactivated by turning the selector switch .

Before I shipped the gun to you I sent detailed photographs of the disconnect safety modifications to Mr Smith along with full instructions on how to use it. I also told him about the MkV cocking handle safety. I have made these modifications to give the gun effective safety features. I am pleased to note they work as intended.

If you click this link you will see a demonstration of the sear disconnect working.

http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w315/Orriblebastard/?action=view&current=MVI_1294_1.flv

The links below show the details of the disconnect safety. I believe these are the pictures I previously sent to Mr Smith.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w315/Orriblebastard/IMG_1306.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w315/Orriblebastard/IMG_1308.jpg

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/czechthis_bucket/IMG_1490.jpg

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/czechthis_bucket/IMG_1491.jpg


Please don't send the gun back until you have checked that the safety mechanisms are not engaged.


Thanks

Mick





bear.23 said:
If I was to have failed so miserably at converting guns to semi auto I certainly wouldn't be posting it on the web or complaining about other guns...

I'd be proving that I can do what I set out to do or getting out of the business..
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I expect every gun I submit to be classed as prohibited, and it does not bother me if they are. I have learnt that this is the first step in getting them classed as restricted or non restricted. I have built quite a few guns that have restricted and non restricted classifications. Need a list ?

I would say that I have been successfull.
 
shagpile said:
Read the emails below and tell me that they deserve respect.



Dear Sir:

Your ########, Sten, Mk3, Serial Number SS309CA, arrived at RCMP, Specialized Firearms Support Services Section (SFSS) by mail on 2009-09-22. Upon arrival it was removed from the shipping container and recorded prior to being placed in the queue for inspection. At this point it was noted that bolt was in the forward position and could not be moved to the rear. It was observed that the recoil spring had moved to pass between the bolt and the receiver tube. Once the spring was unthreaded from the bolt and removed, the bolt moved to the rear and can no longer move forward as the trigger appears to be disconnected from the sear.

As the trigger mechanism is sealed and the bolt handle is permanently fixed in place, we are unable to perform any testing with this model. Therefore this firearm is being returned to you for further repair/modification.

When you have completed whatever action is required to make this ########, Sten, Mk3, Serial Number SS309CA function, you may return it to Specialized Firearms Support Services Section.





Dear Mr

This sten is equiped with a bolt handle safety and a sear disconnect safety. The bolt handle safety locks the bolt in the forward position until released by pulling the bolt handle outward. This safety is designed to prevent the gun from going off accidentally if dropped onto it's butt, or if the bolt handle gets snagged. It is this safety that initially prevented the gun from being cocked.

When the return spring was removed so too was the tension holding the bolt handle in place, this allowed it to return to it's firing position.

I can't see how it's possible for the return spring to become wedged between the bolt and the receiver tube.

The sear disconnect safety is activated and deactivated by turning the selector switch .

Before I shipped the gun to you I sent detailed photographs of the disconnect safety modifications to Mr Smith along with full instructions on how to use it. I also told him about the MkV cocking handle safety. I have made these modifications to give the gun effective safety features. I am pleased to note they work as intended.

If you click this link you will see a demonstration of the sear disconnect working.

http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w315/Orriblebastard/?action=view&current=MVI_1294_1.flv

The links below show the details of the disconnect safety. I believe these are the pictures I previously sent to Mr Smith.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w315/Orriblebastard/IMG_1306.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w315/Orriblebastard/IMG_1308.jpg

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/czechthis_bucket/IMG_1490.jpg

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/czechthis_bucket/IMG_1491.jpg


Please don't send the gun back until you have checked that the safety mechanisms are not engaged.


Thanks

Mick








I expect every gun I submit to be classed as prohibited, and it does not bother me if they are. I have learnt that this is the first step in getting them classed as restricted or non restricted. I have built quite a few guns that have restricted and non restricted classifications. Need a list ?

I would say that I have been successfull.
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First you seem to be missing the point.. This isn't about you... But since you seem to want to make it about you.. then why are you screwing with other people if you are "SO SUCCESSFUL" (even though you can't spell the word :) )

2nd.. I read the letter and I don't see anything that says they do or don't deserve respect... Just becuase you have a problem with them doesn't mean there is an issue...

and 3rd if you want respect you need to earn it... and frankly everything I've read, seen and heard you've put a large set of concentric red and white rings on your back with a little circle in the centre..
 
bear.23 said:
First you seem to be missing the point.. This isn't about you... But since you seem to want to make it about you.. then why are you screwing with other people if you are "SO SUCCESSFUL" (even though you can't spell the word :) )
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This is very much about me, it is me that has been publicly accused of being responsible for the reclassification of the bd 38 and the bd 3008. Remember ?

bear.23 said:
2nd.. I read the letter and I don't see anything that says they do or don't deserve respect... Just becuase you have a problem with them doesn't mean there is an issue...
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These are the people who are supposed to be the first and formost firearms experts in the entire country. They are the same people who are sitting in judgement on the reclassification issue of the bd 38 and the bd 3008. They are the same people who have declared that the T97 can be easily converted to full auto even though they can not work a sten safety switch. Can you really not see that there is a serious issue here ?

bear.23 said:
and 3rd if you want respect you need to earn it... and frankly everything I've read, seen and heard you've put a large set of concentric red and white rings on your back with a little circle in the centre..
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Then you are easily influenced.
 
and to think....at one time i considered doing business with his company...shaking my head right now in disbelief....as an owner of both restricted and non restricted firearms...this hopefully will be as close as i ever get to "Pandora's Box" being opened
 
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