Precision/Sniper rifle features
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Detachable mags are nice, and all my competition rifles have brakes, but in my opinion a pillar bedded adjustable stock is the first place to start. That way you can adjust it for whatever position you have to take the shot from. The Rem 700 receiver's not a bad place to start because no matter what you do, a customer's always going to modify it somehow.
Look over the most popular US rifle builders sites and I believe you will see a common theme. Remington style reciever, McMillan/manners stock, Heavy barrel, bottom metal to accept AI magazines and good triggers. The problem would be offering it cheaper than sourcing your own parts. When you search Canada wide you can usually get things at a good price.
- Location
- Saskatoon, SK
x2 with the detach mag
What I would like with purchase that's easy to do:
Hardigg hard case.
otis cleaning kit
versa-pod battle kit
ect
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
For me, I would want:
the lightest rifle possible. 12lbs with scope is about max for me. 10lbs should be possible.
durable, not indestructible cause....
det center feed mag
safe trigger, even when safety is removed. Break at 2lbs with a crisp pull and no overtravel - function when dirty without need for TLC.
function in dirty conditions yet lock up solid enough for 1/4 min performance
easily swapped barrels with the ability to use various case head sizes.
easy to field strip.
adj stock for comb height and LOP BUT no adj knobs hanging in the breeze - solid lock up.
folding stock or detachable buttstock to make a 26" min length.
proper bedding.
rear adjustable stock height - monopod
minimal rail attachment points ie one on each side of the forend with 1 or 2 slots.
overbarrel bipod - sorry, no harris
Standard thread hardware - no goofy gun industry specific bolts, allen or better yet flat head or phillips head bolts. NO torx
aircraft grade Alum alloy - minimal steel
BULLPUP would be near perfect.
How's that?
Jerry
the lightest rifle possible. 12lbs with scope is about max for me. 10lbs should be possible.
durable, not indestructible cause....
det center feed mag
safe trigger, even when safety is removed. Break at 2lbs with a crisp pull and no overtravel - function when dirty without need for TLC.
function in dirty conditions yet lock up solid enough for 1/4 min performance
easily swapped barrels with the ability to use various case head sizes.
easy to field strip.
adj stock for comb height and LOP BUT no adj knobs hanging in the breeze - solid lock up.
folding stock or detachable buttstock to make a 26" min length.
proper bedding.
rear adjustable stock height - monopod
minimal rail attachment points ie one on each side of the forend with 1 or 2 slots.
overbarrel bipod - sorry, no harris
Standard thread hardware - no goofy gun industry specific bolts, allen or better yet flat head or phillips head bolts. NO torx
aircraft grade Alum alloy - minimal steel
BULLPUP would be near perfect.
How's that?
Jerry
I can't really say because in one form or another, the nail has bit hit on the head in may forms already. The PGWDTI timberwolf and Coyote are as close to perfect in the design and execution of those qualities as I can think of.
The are centered around a stout action, Remington accessories, integrated rail, the best barrel money can buy and a proven stock design. I don't want to sound glib or argumentative, but I can't think of any way to really improve on what is already out there, except price.
The are centered around a stout action, Remington accessories, integrated rail, the best barrel money can buy and a proven stock design. I don't want to sound glib or argumentative, but I can't think of any way to really improve on what is already out there, except price.
LongBomber
CGN Regular
- Location
- Fernie, bc
It seems that with whats available already in Canada, the already mentioned PGW, and the rifles available from ATRS and others, the tactical bolt action market seems pretty well covered.
I do like the above the barrel bipod, a buttstock mono-pod and after using my 30" barrel + 2.5" breaked rifle a bullpup would be nice to be a little handier when the going gets thick. I would like the weight about a pound under what Jerry mentioned, around 9 pounds for the bare rifle, that would be nice. I would also like the scope rail to be integral to the action, and canted 15moa.
How about the entire lower ring being part of the reciver and machined to accept the burris inserts? Haven't seen that yet, and it seems like a good idea.
I think the reliability has to go without mention with a tactical rig.
I do like the above the barrel bipod, a buttstock mono-pod and after using my 30" barrel + 2.5" breaked rifle a bullpup would be nice to be a little handier when the going gets thick. I would like the weight about a pound under what Jerry mentioned, around 9 pounds for the bare rifle, that would be nice. I would also like the scope rail to be integral to the action, and canted 15moa.
How about the entire lower ring being part of the reciver and machined to accept the burris inserts? Haven't seen that yet, and it seems like a good idea.
I think the reliability has to go without mention with a tactical rig.
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
One area where NA is WAY behind is in semi auto tactical platforms.
Except for anti material setups which are not particularly accurate nor light, there really isn't a dedicated platform that still meets the list above.
the present AR10 variant is way too portly.
I have mentioned this before so here is plan B.
How about an upper to fit in the M4? use a larger cartridge that will single stack but fit in a generic AR mag. 6.5 or 7mm. Performance similar to the larger 308 family.
Can easily be done. upper would be compact, light and easy to put on yet allow the working man to still maintain a true fighting rifle just in case things go sideways.
Best part is a complete upper can be had for around 7lbs. and outdistance any 308 based platform in use today.
cost would be as low as 1/10 the price of alternate platforms.
A 17lbs bolt action rifle that balances about a foot from the muzzle is not going to win too many CQB fights.
My guess is that it will likely take another several decades for NA thinking to adjust to what is now SOP in other countries.
Jerry
Except for anti material setups which are not particularly accurate nor light, there really isn't a dedicated platform that still meets the list above.
the present AR10 variant is way too portly.
I have mentioned this before so here is plan B.
How about an upper to fit in the M4? use a larger cartridge that will single stack but fit in a generic AR mag. 6.5 or 7mm. Performance similar to the larger 308 family.
Can easily be done. upper would be compact, light and easy to put on yet allow the working man to still maintain a true fighting rifle just in case things go sideways.
Best part is a complete upper can be had for around 7lbs. and outdistance any 308 based platform in use today.
cost would be as low as 1/10 the price of alternate platforms.
A 17lbs bolt action rifle that balances about a foot from the muzzle is not going to win too many CQB fights.
My guess is that it will likely take another several decades for NA thinking to adjust to what is now SOP in other countries.
Jerry
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
To my way of thinking, the Grendel is too small and really just a high tech 7.62X39.
I want to mimic cartridges like the 260Rem, 7-08 so that 1000yds is well within reason.
With so much going on with the AR, it just boggles my mind that no one has built something on these lines.
Oh well, we will just watch the "Easterners" set the stage for us.
Jerry
I want to mimic cartridges like the 260Rem, 7-08 so that 1000yds is well within reason.
With so much going on with the AR, it just boggles my mind that no one has built something on these lines.
Oh well, we will just watch the "Easterners" set the stage for us.
Jerry
You need something that will fit those rounds in it...like an AR10ish platform
They pretty much have. The AR is hampered by the mag length, and is designed around 5.56. The tolerances on the receiver and the allowable dimensions on a functioning gun are the deciding factors on what can be worked through an AR. The Grendal is pretty much pushing the limit in terms of a reliable performance upgrade in a workable caliber for that platform.
As far as getting an auto going that is based on a 308 parent case and be accurate enough for precision work - all under 10lbs...good luck, I'll be waiting in line, but not holding my breath.
Back to the topic at hand, I'd be inclinded to suggest something that isn't based on the 700 action...there's enough of that stuff out there already that you'd have to compete with.
How about a simple bolt action tube gun that accepts .308 AR mags? (along the lines of a Tubb 2000)
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
You misunderstand. 260Rem/7-08 performance in an AR15. Not house the actual case.
And the parent case(S) already exist and are being used today in AR15's. Actually most are like 5ish years old.
What I am suggesting is good ole fashion wildcatting. nothing particularly radical or bizarre.
the 10lbs refered to bolt action rifles but it would be very possible in an AR too. Might even be easier.
the basic AR starts off life at 6 to 6.5lbs before the kitchen sink gets added. There is so much heavy junk attached onto these rifles that 10lbs would be light.
I saw the specs on the SASS 308 which was a feathery 15lbs and had a good chuckle.
With the basic AR, add another 2lbs for the larger contour longer barrel and a "light" forend. 2lbs for optics and you are right at 10lbs. you can swap buttstocks and grips with very little weight penalty.
The Russians did this almost 50 yrs ago with no where near the materials we have today so there is little reason to think we can't monkey brain a solution.
What are the Chinese up to? I just don't see 5' 2" 150lbs conscripts lugging a 17lbs rifle 4 1/2 feet long through the bush.
The composite materials and alloys used in aerospace makes building light and strong products simply a function of proper selection, application and engineering.
There is absolutely no reason why a composite rifle stock has to weigh almost 6lbs to work. Ironically, some build them at 10oz and they seem to survive the rigors of hunting.
Carbon fibre A arms used on F1 cars weigh how much? They don't seem to have a problem handling massive g loads.
"if you build an aircraft to survive a crash, that crash will be a big one"
a rethink in what makes a rifle tick is in order....
If Uncle Sam actually put a max weight of 10lbs for their next gen SPR, EVERY candidate would meet this weight.
or someone would just drop a Dragunov on the table as the low cost provider.
What I am suggesting is very old news. Just figure someone should be able to add a modern twist to it.
Jerry
PS a viable hunting rifle can weigh 5.5lbs and put a cold bore bullet on game at extended distances. wonder what we can do with twice as much mass?
And the parent case(S) already exist and are being used today in AR15's. Actually most are like 5ish years old.
What I am suggesting is good ole fashion wildcatting. nothing particularly radical or bizarre.
the 10lbs refered to bolt action rifles but it would be very possible in an AR too. Might even be easier.
the basic AR starts off life at 6 to 6.5lbs before the kitchen sink gets added. There is so much heavy junk attached onto these rifles that 10lbs would be light.
I saw the specs on the SASS 308 which was a feathery 15lbs and had a good chuckle.
With the basic AR, add another 2lbs for the larger contour longer barrel and a "light" forend. 2lbs for optics and you are right at 10lbs. you can swap buttstocks and grips with very little weight penalty.
The Russians did this almost 50 yrs ago with no where near the materials we have today so there is little reason to think we can't monkey brain a solution.
What are the Chinese up to? I just don't see 5' 2" 150lbs conscripts lugging a 17lbs rifle 4 1/2 feet long through the bush.
The composite materials and alloys used in aerospace makes building light and strong products simply a function of proper selection, application and engineering.
There is absolutely no reason why a composite rifle stock has to weigh almost 6lbs to work. Ironically, some build them at 10oz and they seem to survive the rigors of hunting.
Carbon fibre A arms used on F1 cars weigh how much? They don't seem to have a problem handling massive g loads.
"if you build an aircraft to survive a crash, that crash will be a big one"
a rethink in what makes a rifle tick is in order....
If Uncle Sam actually put a max weight of 10lbs for their next gen SPR, EVERY candidate would meet this weight.
or someone would just drop a Dragunov on the table as the low cost provider.
What I am suggesting is very old news. Just figure someone should be able to add a modern twist to it.
Jerry
PS a viable hunting rifle can weigh 5.5lbs and put a cold bore bullet on game at extended distances. wonder what we can do with twice as much mass?
Id like to see 2 types of guns, both meeting the market for high $$/ high end gun and a prices point medium heavy varmint/predator gun, something around a G note.
There are tons of cool high priced custom guns out there and there are lots of guys that can't afford them.. I would love to see a gun maker build something at would give a highend Savage or Remington retail gun a run for the general market.
take Dlask arms for instance, There was lots of interest for a Canadian Custom 10/22 receiver & barrel and with a little pushing on the part of cgn members they started making these parts. I think it's great and Joe did it for a fare price which most can afford. Now that is cool it would be great to see others do this in a semi custom rifle.
Mystic: I have been thinking of doing a custom Stevens/Savage 111 action with you for a varmint gun. But I too like the idea of a dual port action like Savage heavy target guns.
There are tons of cool high priced custom guns out there and there are lots of guys that can't afford them.. I would love to see a gun maker build something at would give a highend Savage or Remington retail gun a run for the general market.
take Dlask arms for instance, There was lots of interest for a Canadian Custom 10/22 receiver & barrel and with a little pushing on the part of cgn members they started making these parts. I think it's great and Joe did it for a fare price which most can afford. Now that is cool it would be great to see others do this in a semi custom rifle.
Mystic: I have been thinking of doing a custom Stevens/Savage 111 action with you for a varmint gun. But I too like the idea of a dual port action like Savage heavy target guns.
