Schultz & Larsen model 65 advise please

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Anyone know what a good price to pay for a good condition Schultz & Larsen .308 Norma Mag would be? Ammo looks to be $100 for twenty rounds @ Lever Arms.
 
Ive seen them from 700 to 1500 depending on condition, I bought one about 10 years ago for 650. They are very nice rifles, mine will shoot 1/2" groups with its pet load. I dont think you would be disapointed with it, make an offer, ya never know. Good luck, Pete.
 
FL resize .300 Win mag brass and trim ,so much for expensive ammo..........My FN Browning .308 NM shoots 3/4" groups while fireforming.........Harold PS only inside neck lube and the case 1/4 " from the shoulder to avoid oil dents when forming
 
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Run .338 Win mag case into 308 Norma full length sizer die. Chamber a dummy round to check neck clearance. Never had to outside neck turn brass to fit 308 Norma mag chamber. That will save you $75.00 per box.
 
As has been mentioned here by others, there are a number of solutions to form your brass. For that caliber and a few others like the 7x61 S&H and the 358 Norma Magnum, my preference is to go for the 'real thing'. Some of it can be somewhat on the scarce side but with a little patience and looking, it is around. Most of this scarcer stuff I require I've picked up at gun shows. The 308 Norma Magnum, especially in a Schultz & Larsen, is my favorite 30 cal magnum and I have the same one you're considering buying.

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I'm in the process of changing over to Barnes TTSX in a few calibers, the 308 NM being one but here's a load that has worked well for me. If you get the rifle, I wouldn't suggest going exactly by my load data. It's based on info from an earlier edition of the Sierra manual and the powder charge is a little warmer than that listed in the latest edition of the Sierra manual. Also, with magazine length and the room available, I've extended the bullet out to increase the C.O.A.L. so as to minimize the freebore. My C.O.A.L. exceeds that suggested by Sierra.

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I am also a big fan of the 308 Norma Magnum, and have owned half a dozen over the past 40 years. At present, I have a PH Model 81 Classic that shoots the 200 Accubond into less than 1 moa consistently. The Shultz & Larsen is a fine rifle, and most are great shooters as well. I am not particularly fond of the rear locking lug system, but that is only a personal thing, and in no way reflects on the quality of the firearm. I have a lot of 308 Norma brass, but have made it from virgin 300 Win Mag brass with no problems at all. Just FL size, trim to length, and load 'em up! Regards, Eagleye.
 
If you can find a copy, there is a very good article in the March 2010 edition of "Rifle" magazine on the history and development of the Shultz and Larsen rifles, along with the 7x61 S&H.

Author notes that his will group along side custom rifles worth many times the cost of his. At the time were considered, and priced, in the same range of quality and prestige as Weatherby Mark Vs.

Very high quality rifles made in Denmark, and I've read that they will still pull, as suggested above, in the $1000 to $1500 price range, and are considered a bargain by many.

Apparently, in the 7x61 S&H, still quite popular in the Yukon amongst guide outfitters.
 
Eagleye said:
I am also a big fan of the 308 Norma Magnum, and have owned half a dozen over the past 40 years. At present, I have a PH Model 81 Classic that shoots the 200 Accubond into less than 1 moa consistently. The Shultz & Larsen is a fine rifle, and most are great shooters as well. I am not particularly fond of the rear locking lug system, but that is only a personal thing, and in no way reflects on the quality of the firearm. I have a lot of 308 Norma brass, but have made it from virgin 300 Win Mag brass with no problems at all. Just FL size, trim to length, and load 'em up! Regards, Eagleye.
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After starting out with a 303Br., Simpon-Sears special, the next 'Moose gun' I had was a PH in 308NM. It looked like a beauty to me at the time and I asked the guy why he was selling it. He told me, "because I just got this" and proceeded to show me a Schultz & Larsen in 308NM. After looking at that, I promised myself,:cool: one day I'll have one of those. When opportunity 'knocked', I picked one up.

After quite a number of years of being involved with firearms since that time, I agree with you on the design concept of rear locking. I've questioned that with a few gunsmiths and the general consensus seems to be while there are better designed lock up features, with the quality of steel S&L used and the overall strength of their actions, it isn't a real concern.

In addition,:) I had hoped to acquire the other two of the big three efforts of co-operation between Schultz & Larsen and Norma, the 7x61 S&H and the 358NM. Not too long ago I picked up a 7x61 S&H in a 68DL but haven't had much luck locating a 358NM, in a S&L. I did however, pick up a 358NM in a Husqvarna model 1651 which will keep me happy,;) for the present:D.
 
Just found that article, by Terry Wieland, specifically on the Model 65 DL.

Wieland notes that one criticism of the S&L, due to its rear locking lugs, was "case stretching". He states that this is only partly valid, in that he only ever experienced this when "you push pressures beyond a reasonable point". Says he never has had problems with his when using "moderate" loads.

He also notes that the .358 Norma is the most desirable, and the hardest to find.

He wraps up with...

Starting with the Model 60, through the 65 and 65 DL, the Schultz & Larsen high powered rifles offer a fantastic opportunity for anyone loves quality and fine craftsmanship in a rifle. The bolts slide back and forth with a smoothness you won't find today this side of an $8,000 custom job - and sometimes not even there. They are comparable to the legendary "buttery smoothness" of the Austrian Mannlicher, and like the old Mannlichers, they are as finely finished inside as they are outside.

But there's one big difference: An original Mannlicher might cost you $4,000, while a Schultz & Larsen can be had for less than half that amount. And it will look so good, behind the seat of your Aston Martin.
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My uncle had one of these in .243, last time I saw it was about 15 years back. I wanted to buy it from him in the worst way just to own such a fine rifle, but just didn't have that kind of jake in my account at the time.
 
I had a 65DL in 7mm Rem Mag. It was good for 2.5" groups at 300 yds. It would not take some of the published loads except with Norma bullets which are .283 vs .284 for most North American bullets. I still have a 65 DL rebarreled to 6.5-'06 that was competitive in F=class for a couple of years.
 
<a href="http://s961.photobucket.com/albums/ae100/petedobinson/?action=view&current=target.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae100/petedobinson/target.jpg" border="0" alt="308 norma mag"></a> Here's two 3 shot groups with my schultz&larsen 308 norma. I shot the group on the right first, then moved scope over a little and shot the left group. The load is 165 gr hornady btsp with 74 grains of IMR4831. cheers Pete
 
pete dobinson said:
<a href="http://s961.photobucket.com/albums/ae100/petedobinson/?action=view&current=target.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae100/petedobinson/target.jpg" border="0" alt="308 norma mag"></a> Here's two 3 shot groups with my schultz&larsen 308 norma. I shot the group on the right first, then moved scope over a little and shot the left group. The load is 165 gr hornady btsp with 74 grains of IMR4831. cheers Pete
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for some reason my picture never showed up, sorry guys I will try again later
 
I have a feeling that the 308 Norma Mag is an easy chambering to get to shoot well. In my personal experience, I have yet to own one that did not shoot like a house afire.
As I already posted, My present one just loves the 200 AB, and will occasionally turn in a group under ½", although the average would be closer to ¾" for 3 shots at 100. I have shot groups as small as 3" at 500 with it. Elk really hate this rifle!! Regards, Eagleye.
 
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A bunch of years back, one of our local shops had a Schultz & Larsen in the 308 Winchester.
It looked like it just came out of the box.
It may have been a Model 68 DL.
It was gorgeous.
Price was $1500.
Do I regret not buying this....yup.
It would of been hard to want to wear the new off of it.
I feel proud packing Dad's blessed Schultz & Larsen 308 NM DL65.
Shot my first moose with it a few years back.
Bullwinkle's head mount is on the wall.
When the big bull hit the ground, I remember looking up and said "Thanks Dad".
I don't know why anyone would sell one of these fine rifles.
Don't let the one you're looking at get away.
 
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