10 shot Mp15-22 mags PLZ

badger arms supply said:
It may come down to a certain company just wanting to sell there Black dog mags as we panic to hide our S&W mags.

As the world turns
Armand
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drache said:
Wow this was a very immature post from a company....
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True and the problem with spell check is it doesn't ask you to change a word that is spelled correctly but used in the wrong context.

there - place
their - possession

Sorry it's the grammar nazi in me! :p
 
Wow

Comes down to this.
I personally would have rather heard it from the RCMP and CFO rather then another dealer going public.
Until the powers that be say it is so, and guide us in fixing the problem in the way they out line ,this topic caused undue panic!

People have called me and were worried they were going to jail for this mag I sold them!

If this would have been posted by people in power there would have been an order of opperations to using the mags and with ways of tooling them with a time line of amnisty with way less panic


As I understand, the 50rd black dog will be O.K. I think you sell this.

How many guns have you in store in this model? I do not see any on your site.
We have 21 guns, 42 mags- a fair chunk of change to be left holding the bag on until the RCMP and CFO post there findings and resolve the problem . With well thought out plan to not panic the public and to hear there explaination as to how this happened and also hear what they are prepared to do as far as the ways to fix and time lines involved in having them updated would have been the best way to hear this! This I belive has killed sales until its resolved, and with RCMP resolve the customer would have known what they were getting in to. As the CFO and RCMP would have a firm order of opperations. This would not slow sales for other dealers that stock this product.
 
Dohhunter said:
Might want to edit that.
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No, I still stand behind Badger arms on this one. Its pretty convieniant that Questar knew about this FACT... Questar has been aware of the RCMP ruling on the magazine since July 8th. That gave them time to sell their stock at which point on October 9th they make to post about this and also mention thier bd mag is basically the only solution three months later. Acting like it didn't play out like that is just a plain old lie.
 
Scott Max Danger said:
No, I still stand behind Badger arms on this one. Its pretty convieniant that Questar knew about this FACT... Questar has been aware of the RCMP ruling on the magazine since July 8th. That gave them time to sell their stock at which point on October 9th they make to post about this and also mention thier bd mag is basically the only solution three months later. Acting like it didn't play out like that is just a plain old lie.
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I didn't "mention" the BD mag as you stated, that was Badger.

We never sold a single unit during that time... we would not put our customers in jeopardy by selling something to them that was in question or known to be an issue. We have sat on our inventory and held it aside, waiting for the RCMP to clarify the status of the firearms and the magazine in question.

We also would have no way to know if the RCMP had not told other dealers... we still dont' know for sure if we are the only ones who were notified and if so then it's a surprise to us. The RCMP certainly updated the FRT listings. When I made that post we had every reason to believe that other dealers and certainly the importer, had been notified as well.

The fact that we made the public aware of the decision (once it was finalized) saved a lot of unsuspecting consumers from taking delivery of a magazine that has been declared a Prohibited Device. I seriously doubt that anyone who was about to buy one of these or who had ordered but not yet taken delivery is angry that we made the information public.

Badger seems more unhappy that he was caught holding the "hot potatoe" than anything else... instead of being upset he can't sell them to unsuspecting customers he should be sending them back to the distributor for replacement or credit.

I expect that the S&W Distributor will have 10 round magazines available pretty quickly and I would guess that he's already spoken to S&W about a different 25 round "rifle" magazine that would not be be prohibited. My guess is that any dealer who bought the guns from the distributor will be supported and that the magazines in question will get swapped out... so the only real issue is the dealer will need to hold the inventory for a short while until that can happen.

If you want to believe that this was all some sort of "master plan" on my part to screw other dealers, then so be it. I guess I should be flattered that you believe I have that kind of power and that kind of smarts, to manipulate the RCMP and the CFO's and the market place. Too bad I didn't have the smarts not to be caught holding my own inventory of S&W 15-22P's and S&W 25 round magazines :(

I just wonder... if we had not made the information public now... if we had allowed hundreds of unsuspecting customers buy these guns and magazines (when we knew that they were going to have a problem to deal with later)... then in a few weeks or months when the word finally got out and the CFC started sending out notices to all the registered owners... what would you be saying about Questar then? Would you then be accusing us of keeping a secret and letting all those unsuspecting consumers get 'screwed' when we knew all along it was coming? It strikes me that you would blame us no matter what we had done... and that makes me wonder why and what your real motiviation is.

Mark
 
Scott Max Danger said:
No, I still stand behind Badger arms on this one. Its pretty convieniant that Questar knew about this FACT... Questar has been aware of the RCMP ruling on the magazine since July 8th. That gave them time to sell their stock at which point on October 9th they make to post about this and also mention thier bd mag is basically the only solution three months later. Acting like it didn't play out like that is just a plain old lie.
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Just like politics, cars, women, etc., people will differ on their opinions. From reading everything including Mark's post after your post above I have made my "opinion".

Agreeing to disagree, Questar gets my business. :cheers:
 
badger arms supply said:
If this would have been posted by people in power there would have been an order of opperations to using the mags and with ways of tooling them with a time line of amnisty with way less panic
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Yes.....like that's going to happen. The people in power want to screw us by taking all of our legally purchased firearms away (or parts of the firearms - as is the case here)
 
Questar said:
I didn't "mention" the BD mag as you stated, that was Badger.

We never sold a single unit during that time... we would not put our customers in jeopardy by selling something to them that was in question or known to be an issue. We have sat on our inventory and held it aside, waiting for the RCMP to clarify the status of the firearms and the magazine in question.

We also would have no way to know if the RCMP had not told other dealers... we still dont' know for sure if we are the only ones who were notified and if so then it's a surprise to us. The RCMP certainly updated the FRT listings. When I made that post we had every reason to believe that other dealers and certainly the importer, had been notified as well.

The fact that we made the public aware of the decision (once it was finalized) saved a lot of unsuspecting consumers from taking delivery of a magazine that has been declared a Prohibited Device. I seriously doubt that anyone who was about to buy one of these or who had ordered but not yet taken delivery is angry that we made the information public.

Badger seems more unhappy that he was caught holding the "hot potatoe" than anything else... instead of being upset he can't sell them to unsuspecting customers he should be sending them back to the distributor for replacement or credit.

I expect that the S&W Distributor will have 10 round magazines available pretty quickly and I would guess that he's already spoken to S&W about a different 25 round "rifle" magazine that would not be be prohibited. My guess is that any dealer who bought the guns from the distributor will be supported and that the magazines in question will get swapped out... so the only real issue is the dealer will need to hold the inventory for a short while until that can happen.

If you want to believe that this was all some sort of "master plan" on my part to screw other dealers, then so be it. I guess I should be flattered that you believe I have that kind of power and that kind of smarts, to manipulate the RCMP and the CFO's and the market place. Too bad I didn't have the smarts not to be caught holding my own inventory of S&W 15-22P's and S&W 25 round magazines :(

I just wonder... if we had not made the information public now... if we had allowed hundreds of unsuspecting customers buy these guns and magazines (when we knew that they were going to have a problem to deal with later)... then in a few weeks or months when the word finally got out and the CFC started sending out notices to all the registered owners... what would you be saying about Questar then? Would you then be accusing us of keeping a secret and letting all those unsuspecting consumers get 'screwed' when we knew all along it was coming? It strikes me that you would blame us no matter what we had done... and that makes me wonder why and what your real motiviation is.

Mark
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I have no motivation, these internet fourms are just strictly entertainment for me and im just stating my opinion. You did mention the Bd mag as well otherwise i wouldnt have even mentioned it.


The Black Dog 50 round drum magazine for the S&W M&P 15-22 is NOT affected by this ruling.

Mark

It seemed a little fishy to me so thats why i said what I did. If anything this gave yourself an oppertunity to explain yourself. At the end of the day it makes no difference to me, ill reload the 10 shot or the 25.
 
Panic

This is what I am talking about.
Sure we all know how Gov't works, and the gun B.S. that we have to deal with in one form or another.
Because the RCMP allowed the sale of this gun, there will be time given to do as they outline. They would look like bigger fools if they charged someone for this mag they gave an FRT# too only months ago and let into the country and public sale of.

Again this is what my ##### is, if this was brought to public attention from CFO, RCMP we would already have some form of solution, and the way it worked its way to the surface has us all with :confused: and no solution or means to a resolve, with few if any questions left answered.

Black dog mags
I have no problem with the company that replied to my post, in fact they provided great service to our shop many times. Fast delivery great service.
We have different ways of thinking and disagree on this matter.

Hot potato,
This gun will continue sell once RCMP have made resolve, maybe better with all the new talk. 10 rd mags could have been brought in before the non official horn blew,as the company stated they imported this gun along with with sylva, but did not sell it due to this matter. They could have sold them with 10 rd mags,or even just the mags, this would have been a big help, and concerned gun owners would have had a chance to get 10rd mags ,without fear of use of ther gun and mag in question, until the RCMP made it public and delivered point of action. As it stands now , no 10 rd mags to be found, just BD-50's that can also be used in the 15-22 pistol, this also may be of some issue in the future .
This would have allowed judgment to be handed down to the public with questions answered, 10 rd mags would have been sourced and available , public with less panic and still have had use of the gun in question with less fears about the official word.

We at Badger sell gun that have FRT#, that means RCMP approved and go for sale!
We have enough B*LL SH*T to deal with without doing the job of CFO and RCMP. If they say we can sell and give FRT# we sell and if they go public and state laws have changed or they messed up , we then follow the new rules and guide lines.
What else can we be expected to do?
It is what it is!!
 
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Scott Max Danger said:
I will believe it when i see it, and by that i mean a cop actually knocking on the door.
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When the cop comes knocking on your door to get the magazine, and you HAVE it, say goodbye to everything else. They are not there to help you. They are there to try and catch you, so that they can take EVERYTHING you have because you are in possession of a prohibited device. Recall "ignorance of the law is no excuse". Well we are all not ignorant of this law, so to knowingly own, or sell a prohibited device is a HUGE deal. That's not me saying it, its the facts.

And for one, I am glad Questar did this. It would not surprise me in the least if the RCMP never intended to make this public and just used the registry to try and remove all the guns of every legal owner they could. They NOT Questar are that sneaky and underhanded, not me bashing them, just stating from experience what they have done in the recent past.
 
Can you please let me know in what recent past the RCMP used rulings like this to seize 'EVERYTHING' from a legal gun owner, and not just the item in question?
 
Tuco Pike said:
When the cop comes knocking on your door to get the magazine, and you HAVE it, say goodbye to everything else. They are not there to help you. They are there to try and catch you, so that they can take EVERYTHING you have because you are in possession of a prohibited device. Recall "ignorance of the law is no excuse". Well we are all not ignorant of this law, so to knowingly own, or sell a prohibited device is a HUGE deal. That's not me saying it, its the facts.

And for one, I am glad Questar did this. It would not surprise me in the least if the RCMP never intended to make this public and just used the registry to try and remove all the guns of every legal owner they could. They NOT Questar are that sneaky and underhanded, not me bashing them, just stating from experience what they have done in the recent past.
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You have had a lot of pessimistic posts which I didn't agree with but this one takes the cake! :confused:
 
Tuco Pike said:
And for one, I am glad Questar did this. It would not surprise me in the least if the RCMP never intended to make this public and just used the registry to try and remove all the guns of every legal owner they could. They NOT Questar are that sneaky and underhanded, not me bashing them, just stating from experience what they have done in the recent past.
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I think it's fair to say the trend of pistol versions of rimfire rifles is relatively new (the ability to utilize the same rifle magazine is definitely a different twist). I don't think there's any grand conspiracy here; rimfire pistols have always been capped at 10-rounds (ie: my Glock 22LR conversion).

Now that this issue is out in the open, though - it might be a good opportunity to pause and reflect on whether it's a good idea to continue importing the pistol versions of these rimfire rifles - as it will almost certainly lead to the magazine capacity being capped at 10-rounds if they can be used in both.
 
Tuco Pike said:
When the cop comes knocking on your door to get the magazine, and you HAVE it, say goodbye to everything else. They are not there to help you. They are there to try and catch you, so that they can take EVERYTHING you have because you are in possession of a prohibited device. Recall "ignorance of the law is no excuse". Well we are all not ignorant of this law, so to knowingly own, or sell a prohibited device is a HUGE deal. That's not me saying it, its the facts.

And for one, I am glad Questar did this. It would not surprise me in the least if the RCMP never intended to make this public and just used the registry to try and remove all the guns of every legal owner they could. They NOT Questar are that sneaky and underhanded, not me bashing them, just stating from experience what they have done in the recent past.
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Well im sure there will be a letter in the mail, or a call. The cops wont just show up and start arresting people that didnt happen to check out CGN in the last month.
 
badger arms supply said:
If there is a ruling against the mags ,the public will be notified to have them fixed or turned in, during a short term amnesty period. As the public did not cause this any more then the dealers. No need to panic!!!!
Badger Arms
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can we turn in our 25 round magazines to exchange the 10 round ones? do you carry the 10 round "short" magazines?
 
Kind of funny I was in a gun store on the weekend and they are still selling the 25rd factory mags and new guns with them, I guess it doesn't appear to be that big of a deal as no one seems to be getting notification.... :)
 
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