Did the Germans have anything special in development as far as firearms at the end..?

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You always see documentaries about how the nazi's had all kinds of advanced jet fighters and nuclear weapons etc.

Did the Germans have anything special in development as far as firearms at the end of world war 2?

Seems the americans and russians stole a lot of talent and design from the nazi machine in other weapon areas, did firearms see anything of the same sort?
 
fiveonenine said:
You always see documentaries about how the nazi's had all kinds of advanced jet fighters and nuclear weapons etc.

Did the Germans have anything special in development as far as firearms at the end of world war 2?

Seems the americans and russians stole a lot of talent and design from the nazi machine in other weapon areas, did firearms see anything of the same sort?
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Yes, super cheap copies of allied firearms for the Volkssturm. Captured "Allied" etc. firearms....

... and chitty VMG-27 and other junk.
 
You forgot the Mauser Gerat 06, which just happens to be the direct ancestor of the entire CETME, G3, H&K family.

Oh, and the MG-45, a delyed-blowback DPMG which looked a lot like a 42 but used a roller-locking system. It eventually went into production in Switzerland, all machined. The Spanish are making a completely SWEET stamped copy in .223.

They had other things, too.

Not quite as backward as commonly assumed.
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"Advanced" Jet fighters.... Sure, somewhat.

Nuclear Weapons... not really that close.

Firearms?

Ever seen the Spanish CETME?

That is what the Germans were working on.

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The Gerat 06. Not really that special. Though German Sturmgewehr technology helped the Soviets and Americans form their own new weapons platforms.

ie: The Styling, and intermediate round of the StG assisted in the development of the Kalashnikov (with Hugo Schmeissers technical assistance)

- The American M60, An FG-42 mated with an MG-42 feed system.

- The American M16 platform which used the idea of the separate upper and lower receiver and the recoil spring inside the buttstock. Also, check out the dust cover on the two rifles, almost identical.

Check out more here: http://world.guns.ru/assault/as60-e.htm

But as far a being a great weapons platform, the StG44 leaves a lot to be desired. Though it was the progenitor of many of today's assault rifles.

*EDIT* Damnit, Smellie beat me to the punch as usual.... A minute late and a dollar short...
 
The then secret American "Operation Paperclip" objective was to hire as many German scientist and inventors as possible, regardless of their previous membership in the Nazi Parti, SS or worse. Best known German to end up in the US is dr. Werner von Braun, who then started the US rocket and space program, based on the German V 2 rocket technology.

The Russians, British, French and several other countries had semilar aims to get state of the art German technology at the end of WW2, and often payed the German scientist a hefty sum of money, as the Russians did to aquire German Rocket scientist from the then Western Sector of Germany.

India's first jet fighter was designed by Kurt Tank, Argentina's first jet fighter was designed by a German team, and the Swiss clearly benefitted from the german firearms technology as well, and all modern submarines is based on the latest German designs of WW2, just to mention few...
 
They were in the middle of producing Missle Subs that could carry V2's the planned launch was for around the time that they ever had Nuclear tech which would have been around the same time as the Americans.
 
I don't know what they called it but they did start to make a gun that shot around corners, you could even use the sights around a corner. Norinco has incorporated this technology into every firearm they manufacture.
 
Recent studies showed the Nazis were going down the wrong path in regards to nuclear weapons, with some suspicion that their scientists were doing that on purpose. The last designs of U-boat were quite respectable, but so were the late war US designs.
British jet engines were as good or better than the Germans, although the ME 262 was a altogether better design for a few years.
Rockets, the German were the clear leaders
The intermediate cartridge for semi-autos was likely their biggest contribution to weapon design post-war
The Panzerfaust and the use of HEAT warheads had a huge impact on both the West and East. Mind you the Swiss brothers who developed the Monroe Effect had tried to interest Western armies before the war.
 
 
Remember in the movie, "The Right Stuff", when a German rocket scientist, working for the US, refering to the Germans rockets scientist then working in Russia, mentions: "Our Germans are better than their Germans" :)
 
ben hunchak said:
I don't know what they called it but they did start to make a gun that shot around corners, you could even use the sights around a corner. Norinco has incorporated this technology into every firearm they manufacture.
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Best laugh I've had all day!:D

And I own a few Norcs.:)
 
A better question would be about what the Germans contributed to gun manufacture. Prior to the end WW2.
There are countless advancements attributed to the Germans.
The sub machine gun and assault rifle are the tip of the ice berg.
 
ben hunchak said:
I don't know what they called it but they did start to make a gun that shot around corners, you could even use the sights around a corner. Norinco has incorporated this technology into every firearm they manufacture.
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i have a pounding head ache, and if there is an inside joke here i dont get it..

there was a gun that shot around corners made by the germans, the mp44

http://www.iwm.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.2482

they went from 30 degrees to a full 90, but the effects and strain on the bulet were too great to have any good ballistic capabilities :ar15:
 
Hey jazzman, you with the pounding headache, it was a joke......Have you ever seen a Norinco with a straight barrel and sights properly fitted(straight)? It's a joke, get it???
 
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