can new brunswick wardens demand gun papers ??

hello gallen 270...........it happened to my nephew .........AS AN UPDATE it wasnt conservation officers /warden ............but it was the motor vehicle off road 4 wheeler patrol.

they found my nephew walking and then asking him to produce a hunting license and registry papers .....
he had the bird permit but not registry papers on him.

its weird that if this was so TERRIBLE they let him go home to be SPANKED later by the rcmp??
sound fishy...........anf my nephews a good kid not prone to exageration or tall tails!

ANY MORE INFO BUT PLEASE...........NEED COMMENTS ABOUT HERE IN NEW BRUNSWICK
 
Maybe these :pirate:clowns:pirate: have changed their stripes & are still on the loose:

Department of Natural Resources Impersonator, Hampton, N.B.

District 3 Kennebecasis RCMP would like to alert the public to the possibility of 2 men posing as Officers from the Department of Natural Resources. The suspects are dressed similiar to a DNRE Officer (green pants and green sweater) and may be going to houses on the Kingston Peninsula and surrounding area. They are asking to see firearm registrations and if a firearm is not registered they will seize it.

One of the suspects is described as about 6ft tall, 200 lbs, dirty blonde hair which is short on top and collar length in back. He has a mustache, wore glasses and appears to be in his mid-forties. He may be wearing a blue name tag with the name G. Boileau (or something similiar). They may be driving either a newer model, dark green pick-up truck or an older model, silver and red Chev. pick-up truck with the first 3 letters of the license plate being either CBJ or CIJ.

District 3 Kennebecasis RCMP are advising the public to not allow anyone into their homes without first seeing proper identification and a valid Search Warrant. If anyone feels they have been a victim of this crime, or have any information about this crime, please contact Cst. Tom White of the District 3 Kennebecasis RCMP at (506) 832-5566 or call Crimestoppers at 1-800-222-8477.
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http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/nb/news/Nov2505_090947.html
 
91. (1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5), every person commits an offence who possesses a firearm without being the holder of

(a) a licence under which the person may possess it; and
(b) a registration certificate for the firearm.
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As I read this it says you mustbe the "holder of" in my experience that generally means that you possess such an item. Not that you need to have it with you. They should be checking the registry anyways (assuming they are going to use it, I know we all disagree with it, but humor them for a second) otherwise who's to say you didn't just steal the gun and the cert with it!
 
Stumpfian said:
As I read this it says you mustbe the "holder of" in my experience that generally means that you possess such an item. Not that you need to have it with you. They should be checking the registry anyways (assuming they are going to use it, I know we all disagree with it, but humor them for a second) otherwise who's to say you didn't just steal the gun and the cert with it!
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The Telegraph Journal had this article in a few weeks ago. RCMP seized some hunters guns:

RCMP remind hunters of rules

RIVIÈRE-VERTE - RCMP in northern New Brunswick are reminding hunters that carrying a loaded firearm in a vehicle is illegal and could lead to the accidental discharge of a firearm and injury. Police said hunters must also have their firearm permit, registration certificate and hunting permit with them at all times throughout the hunting season. Police promoted safe hunting last month during this year's moose season. From September 23 to 25, roughly 370 vehicles were checked. Police seized a few unregistered firearms, handed out two tickets to individuals who were not in possession of a valid hunting license and arrested one person for impaired driving. Another person approached police to inform them about an outdoor marijuana grow operation, which led to the seizure of 110 plants.
 
mmattockx said:
+1. Section 91 of the CC makes it an offense to possess a gun without a license and a registration cert for that gun.



From here: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-46/page-3.html#codese:91

I am continually amazed how many gun owners have no idea that this is law. All the amnesty does is remove the possiblity of facing charges for an unregistered gun. It does not stop a LEO (which a CO certainly is) from seizing the firearm and holding it until a registration cert is produced.



From here: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/police/20100319-pol78-eng.htm

Mark
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I still have not seen the answer to the question "Where does it state that it is mandatory to have the registration with you"? The above pointed out sections are great for possessing but doesn't mention carrying the firearm, or transportation etc. I'd like to see it spelled out somewhere to confirm so I can make sure I am in compliance.
 
I know in Ontario the MNR doesn't request your gun papers but the OPP last year did a blitz during hunting season checking for gun papers. Provincial gov't pressure of course.
 
You should have asked them for their birth certificates and passports ................parent's marriage license etc...............Harold
 
PeakXV said:
The question is really 'who has the legal right to ask you to produce it on demand?' RCMP, municipal police, the provincial game warden, the mayor, butcher/baker/candlestick maker ..... who/when/where?
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At game checks here in BC it is always the CO's that are checking hunting licences, shotgun magazine capacity, game, hunting regs, etc, they always have RCMP at the checks who look at your firearms licence and registrations. I have never been asked by a CO for my PAL or registration, only the police that usually are with them, I even tried handing a CO my PAL and registrations to the CO once and he said he was not interested in looking but keep them out for the police officer.
 
RCMP were accompanying conservation officers on the back roads here on the west coast of the island a few weeks ago, but they were not requesting to see PALs or reg certs.
 
to split hairs on the wording of a law is crazy....err on the safe side.....lawyers to prove you are in the right are expensive and liberal judges are not known to be very gun friendly even if your lawyer does a good job. asa far as showing certs....if the guy asking is a gov. employee why not show him, calls to the police about people in public with guns tend to recieve hard take downs. if you have deep pockets and lots of spare time please split hairs and stand up to the man.....maybe he will back off given enough challenges
 
What about the RCMP

So did the RCMP ever do a followup as the ATV cops suggested they would?

A guy who works for me got dinged for wearing no orange while hunting in the area between Bathurst and Miramichi.

He was at a jobsite and at work. He saw a grouse and got his shotgun out of the truck and shot it. Then two CO's came along. They fined him and took his gun (which apparantly belonged to his father). I didn't hear any talk of them asking for a registration cert. but I heard about this second hand so who knows.

Of course he was taking his chances in this situation, the rules are plain re. wearing orange.
 
hudson said:
I still have not seen the answer to the question "Where does it state that it is mandatory to have the registration with you"? The above pointed out sections are great for possessing but doesn't mention carrying the firearm, or transportation etc. I'd like to see it spelled out somewhere to confirm so I can make sure I am in compliance.
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If you are walking through the woods carrying a gun you are in possession of a gun and Section 91 of the criminal code holds. At that point you must be able to produce a license for you and a registration cert for the gun or you are in violation of S.91. Transportation is the same deal. If the police can't determine who owns a gun found in a car, they can charge everyone in the vehicle with illegal possession of a firearm in a vehicle.

94. (1) Subject to subsections (3) to (5), every person commits an offence who is an occupant of a motor vehicle in which the person knows there is a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, other than a replica firearm, or any prohibited ammunition, unless

(a) in the case of a firearm,

(i) the person or any other occupant of the motor vehicle is the holder of

(A) an authorization or a licence under which the person or other occupant may possess the firearm and, in the case of a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm, transport the prohibited firearm or restricted firearm, and

(B) a registration certificate for the firearm,
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http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-46/page-3.html#codese:94

Mark
 
no action /vissit yet ....................perhaps it was a useless threat ?



TwoTone said:
So did the RCMP ever do a followup as the ATV cops suggested they would?

A guy who works for me got dinged for wearing no orange while hunting in the area between Bathurst and Miramichi.

He was at a jobsite and at work. He saw a grouse and got his shotgun out of the truck and shot it. Then two CO's came along. They fined him and took his gun (which apparantly belonged to his father). I didn't hear any talk of them asking for a registration cert. but I heard about this second hand so who knows.

Of course he was taking his chances in this situation, the rules are plain re. wearing orange.
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mmattockx said:
If you are walking through the woods carrying a gun you are in possession of a gun and Section 91 of the criminal code holds. At that point you must be able to produce a license for you and a registration cert for the gun or you are in violation of S.91. Transportation is the same deal. If the police can't determine who owns a gun found in a car, they can charge everyone in the vehicle with illegal possession of a firearm in a vehicle.



http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-46/page-3.html#codese:94

Mark
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the PAL has the ability to be swiped in a card reader and it should tell whoever has the card reader what guns are registered to you, should it not? I'm not sure as to why the registry was made if the technology does not work at roadside for the officer checking you out, the paper registration cert shoudld mearly be a backup in case of computer failure.
 
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