Basic Black - My new F Class trainer

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Given that my last attempt at such a rifle ended in another happy shooter, I got a Savage 93 MkII to see how it would do. This is the least expensive factory plastic stock repeater w/ accutrigger.

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Degreased, mounted my Sightron SII Big Sky 36X and headed to the range. The bolt closing is definitely way too stiff and needed some TLC to function smoothly. Feeding was not bad with most ammo but the last rd tends to hang up. I am sure it is a mag thing with the follower sticking for the last rd - maybe a weaker spring.

A bit of tweaking on the Accutrigger and it is shooting nicely.

Here are a couple of 5rds groups shot at 60yds using AE 40gr LRN ammo that SteveB gave me. Working really well. Will do more testing with the 38gr and 36gr HP that is more common in my area. Also, Eley Standard which is my go to match ammo at this time.

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The best addition to this rig is that TACPRO adj cheek rest. There is way too much slope in the orig stock for scope use. With the easy to install TACPRO, tha problem is resolved. Will be put on a bunch of my other rifles.

I like it so much, I have decided to be a dealer:D

Enjoy...

Jerry
 
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Another nice rig you got there. I have a Savage 93 in .22 WMR I've been meaning to dress up. And those tacpro would be a nice add on for my factory stock which I bedded. I just need a decent scope for it to round out the package.

Let's see how long this one last you before someone comes and says I want that one too ... lol
 
They make new rifles everyday.... :)

That TACPRO is a wonderful addition to these stocks. I guess the orig pattern was for open sights cause the comb and drop are WAY too much for any type of scope.

I'll get around to bedding this one soon but am really surprised at how well it shoots box stock. This plastic stock is very rigid, well molded and an excellent fit. Very surprising. Quality of these items are going way up.

Jerry
 
Savage is definitely a good bang for the buck (excuse the pun). I still intend to build a wildcat on their center fire target action for gophers and paper.
 
One guy consistently shoots Eley Standard at my long range match and does rather well. I've used Eley Sport with good success. I think the velocity spread is going to kill you on that AE ammo once you take it out further.

You might also want to use a set of canted rings. A few of the guys are using those in order to be able to get more elevation out of the scope. I don't think they are very expensive.
 
thebigslide said:
Hey Jerry, What are the barrel specs on that puppy?
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My rifle is a standard off the rack Savage 93 mkII so I think it's 20".

kombayotch, I used to shoot alot of rimfire in silhouette but have not really paid much attention since going to centerfire.

I am heading back to the rimfire and really enjoying it. The LR match you put together was the catalyst as I was looking for a way to get F class practise without having to travel or big costs.

This will be the right thing for me off season.

I am really surprised at how well AE is shooting. Wasn't expecting much and can get 1" or sub 1" groups. However, there are those flyers so am going to begin 'load tuning' to see if I can tighten things up.

Blaser also seems to work quite well and drove 4 out of 5 into one ragged hole at 100yds in almost no wind yesterday.

Of course, shot 5 was 1 1/2 " out :)

Most of the groups are in the 1 to 1 1/2" range so I would say it can hover near MOA at 100yds.

Any tips on what to look for in sorting ammo? Weight is where I will start and see how much that helps.

Maybe do a bit of barrel tuning but I can't see how that can make poor ammo good?

I too feel that investing in a quality stock, optics a smart idea. Considering how much it costs to burn through centerfire barrels, small investment here will last a lifetime.

I already have Burris Sig ZEE rings w/ inserts on the rifle but will likely add a base when I can find one.

Hopefully, I can find some 'cheap' ammo to get the job done at 100yds then use the Eley for 200yds. That is as far as I want/can practise at my range.

Look forward to your info....

Jerry
 
The best thing I have found for making the cheaper ammo shoot better is liquid alox. I use in on the Winchester Subsonics that I use for hunting. Here some some results of that at 50 yards:

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10 shots off paper to season the bore, 3 groups with bare bullets, 10 shots off paper with coated bullets to season the bore, 3 groups with coated bullets.
(some scope adjusting on the bottom row)

Sorting and lubing helps, but with the cheapo ammo, you always seem to get flyers (vertical) no matter what you do once you get out there... Really, for precision practice you aren't burning though ammo all that quickly like you are when plinking with an auto. The lower end Eley and Lapua stuff really isn't all that expensive and a brick lasts a long time if you're taking the same care setting up your shots as you do when shooting F-class.
 
I just tried the alox thing and it didn't work for me.

Yes, I have little doubt this cheapo ammo will have its flaws and zingers. I'll give it a sort and see if I can get things to cluster more reliably.

I already have a bit of Eley Standard left over from my Silhouette days and I know this is way more consistent. But I like to experiment...

Who would you suggest as a good source for this type of match ammo?

Any guess what Eley standard or the Lapua equivalent would cost? Big problem is being able to test a box before buying a case. I have seen wild difference in lots and sometimes one lot shoots great, other lot shoot like CR@P.

Jerry

PS, I am hoping to get this level of accuracy at 100yds with the cheapo ammo and it is not too far off. Certainly does this with the Eley Standard. If I can exorcise the 10 to 20% zingers, I am all smiles.
 
200yds in light gusting winds.

Blaser and Fed 36gr bulk were all over the place. As expected, vertical was wild. maybe sorting will help?????

AE 38gr HP shot really quite well. Some groups were around 2" but there was always a zinger. If it was wind, then there no way I am going to be able to dope :)

Eley Standard shot great. Dangerously close to sub MOA but again, the occasional "where did it go"???

So the HV stuff can be useable at 100yds but the Eley or something like it will get my attention for 200yds. But then I haven't started tweaking the AE ammo so.....

Really got to figure out how to get rid of these flyers or else it will be very frustrating to use this combo.

Overall, very happy with how this Savage is working. Cycling is fine, trigger is great, hopefully these flyers are not rifle related. Bedding has been done.

Need more up to use the Eley though so a MOA base will be in the near future.

Jerry
 
There are several outfits in the US that sell them. Call, even if they don't list shipping to Canada. They often have options for it...

http://egw-guns.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=39_128&products_id=298

The vertical flyers are a tough one to eliminate completely with all but the most premium ammo (and even with some of them). I've gone to using higher end ammo in matches to avoid them. Lapua Master M has been working really well for me, and two boxes is enough for a match.
 
No, the drop at 200yds is already huge.

Maybe rimfires to 500yds??????

Ammo will be the main weakness limiting any attempt at extremely long shots with the rimfire. Vertical dispersion is present in all the ammo I can afford to buy and likely in all ammo on the market. Manf have absolutely no need to worry about shots beyond even 100yds.

This would be for aimed accurate fire.

The rimfire can easily go out to 500yds and beyond.

You just need a large impact zone and a tall object (tree) to point the muzzle at and you can lob them in there. ZERO wind will help alot.

Although not considered kosher, a body of water would be the ideal landing zone as you can see these very small impacts from a very long ways out.

I have a friend that has shot his rimfire a VERY VERY long ways out and it did work.

If you are trying to say drop them into a MOA or 2 MOA or whatever target, that will become much more problematic.

Jerry
 
At 200 yards, match winners are getting 18 or 19 out of 22 shots in the 4.7" ten ring and about half of those are in 2.4" X-ring. Ratios are the same for 300 yards, but the ten ring is 9.6" and the X-ring is 4.8". I've had a few strings of 15 or so shots group under 5" at 300 yards, but these are the exception and not the rule. The group seems to double in size every 100 yards... I've done 400 and 500 yards already, but the groups are getting really large at those distances, beyond usefulness IMO. It's well past the point of being considered harassing fire on a gopher...
 
The Savage 93 MK II does not appear to have a left hand version. For LR shooting (in left hand) is the Savage MK II BTVLSS or the MK II GL a good way to go - for a reasonable price? Are there other LH 22 makes in the mix? Thanks
 
mysticplayer said:
No, the drop at 200yds is already huge.

Maybe rimfires to 500yds??????

Ammo will be the main weakness limiting any attempt at extremely long shots with the rimfire. Vertical dispersion is present in all the ammo I can afford to buy and likely in all ammo on the market. Manf have absolutely no need to worry about shots beyond even 100yds.

This would be for aimed accurate fire.

The rimfire can easily go out to 500yds and beyond.

You just need a large impact zone and a tall object (tree) to point the muzzle at and you can lob them in there. ZERO wind will help alot.

Although not considered kosher, a body of water would be the ideal landing zone as you can see these very small impacts from a very long ways out.

I have a friend that has shot his rimfire a VERY VERY long ways out and it did work.

If you are trying to say drop them into a MOA or 2 MOA or whatever target, that will become much more problematic.

Jerry
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With my 10/22 build and a 3-9x Bushnell Rimfire I could reach out to 300 yards which is the limit at the range I use. My range has sand berms so I find it easy to spot my rounds. I was amazed to see my rounds pushed by 3-4 feet with a gust of wind. Bullet drop with 40 gr American Eagles was about 10 feet at 300 yards. According to the ballistic calculator program that I use it would drop about 22 feet at 400 yards. I'll need a 20 MOA scope mount for that.

I am nowhere close to MOA but I am having a lot of fun.
 
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