Admin Load, so you do it?

Do you perform an Admin Load?

  • Yes, I do an admin check to see/feel the brass.

    Votes: 57 71.3%

  • No, the loaded Chamber indicator or other works for me.

    Votes: 23 28.8%
  • Total voters
    80
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With some mags, in some guns, some of the times, swapping on a fully loaded mag after loading a round, can induce stoppages. I've seen factory 10 rounders, factory 12/13/15/21 round mags do this, I've seen pinned to 10 round mags do this. Most of the time they are either brand new and have very strong springs, or they are improperly pinned. That said it's rare, and easy to deal with. Fix the mag, or don't top up. I know of a couple departments that tell their members to not top up. Insert loaded mag, rack slide, press check, holster.
when I load my first mag into the gun, I press check. every single time. Why? because I can. it's that simple. it's an easy confirmation. I have never, whilst shooting, press checked when doing a mag change, never, not once. the only time I do it is the first mag. and by this I mean for instance, on the "Load and make ready" command, or when I am pulling an unloaded gun out and prepping it for shooting. The "never" part refers to tac mag changes, slide lock mag changes and the like.
if your skill set is such that performing a press check will cause you to do one while you are actively shooting, you need to train more and cruise the internet less.
 
Slavex said:
With some mags, in some guns, some of the times, swapping on a fully loaded mag after loading a round, can induce stoppages. I've seen factory 10 rounders, factory 12/13/15/21 round mags do this, I've seen pinned to 10 round mags do this. Most of the time they are either brand new and have very strong springs, or they are improperly pinned. That said it's rare, and easy to deal with. Fix the mag, or don't top up. I know of a couple departments that tell their members to not top up. Insert loaded mag, rack slide, press check, holster.
when I load my first mag into the gun, I press check. every single time. Why? because I can. it's that simple. it's an easy confirmation. I have never, whilst shooting, press checked when doing a mag change, never, not once. the only time I do it is the first mag. and by this I mean for instance, on the "Load and make ready" command, or when I am pulling an unloaded gun out and prepping it for shooting. The "never" part refers to tac mag changes, slide lock mag changes and the like.
if your skill set is such that performing a press check will cause you to do one while you are actively shooting, you need to train more and cruise the internet less.
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Well said, Sir - Your much more comprehensive experience and well stated case confirm my training and observations. The extra pressure from a fully loaded magazine UNDER a chambered round in a pistol may slow the slide as much as having very fouled, or poorly lubricated tool. Perhaps not such a big deal for gamers, who are going to load, and shoot very soon thereafter, but if the pistol is going to be loaded, then carried for 12+ hours, then unloaded, then the same mag loaded again the next day, then carried... It makes me nervous!
 
Slavex said:
With some mags, in some guns, some of the times, swapping on a fully loaded mag after loading a round, can induce stoppages.
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Forgive me but I don't see how that's possible. With the pistol in battery, the top round in the mag bears up against the bottom of the slide whether there's a round in the chamber or not. The pressure on the stack is no different.
 
"...an administrative load..." A what?
"...trust the loaded chamber indicator..." Few pistols have 'em.
"...firearm will never fail to feed a round into the barrel should the magazine be seated properly..." That's nonsense. Too many variables. Case length, crimp type, OAL, bullet type, etc, etc.
 
Sometimes, the mag is simply too tight due to a variety of reasons. New springs, bad manufacturing, extra round inserted or in our case up here, bad pinning. I've seen factory glock standard capacity mags, loaded to capacity make it almost impossible to move the slide when inserted into the gun with the slide forward. Same goes with AR mags.
 
I answered no even though I'm not military, LEO, armed guard, etc.

I've shot many matches, never had a problem with a round not chambering, so I've never seen the point of doing an admin reload. Also never had a problem with a mag not seating (at least not right off the bat)
 
Most times, I watch the round enter the chamber. Is that not an acceptable procedure? There's also a perceptible difference in sound, and feel, when the slide lands on a live round.

To be honest, I'm not familiar with a lot of terms I read on this site. I've always been more of a solitary shooter, and haven't spent much time conversing with other shooters(until I got hooked on this blog). I really appreciate some of the info I've read here.
 
ON another note, I have seen many shooter draw their guns and simply hear a click when they first pull the trigger. Improperly seated magazine usually. Its kinda funny when it happens
 
Onagoth said:
ON another note, I have seen many shooter draw their guns and simply hear a click when they first pull the trigger. Improperly seated magazine usually. Its kinda funny when it happens
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The two loudest sounds in the world are a click when you a expect bang and a bang when you expect a click! ;)
 
Onagoth said:
I answered no even though I'm not military, LEO, armed guard, etc.

I've shot many matches, never had a problem with a round not chambering, so I've never seen the point of doing an admin reload. Also never had a problem with a mag not seating (at least not right off the bat)
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It is an admin LOAD - ie: In the locker room, with time to prepare, strapping on all the goodies ready to go to work... NOT an admin RELOAD. A reload would be under quite different circumstances, where the last thing you should be doing is looking at your pistol!
 
Having some time in the army, I remember some of the 'higher ups' saying that just to confirm before firing that you should do the admin check to ensure you have a round chambered. The one and only time this is done is when you're loading before going outside the wire (if you're not doing any test firing), or at the range. Better to check it while you have time, double check the mag in your weapon is seated then it'll work when you need it and not have anything to worry about. Better to check.

-M
 
33hoffman said:
Having some time in the army, I remember some of the 'higher ups' saying that just to confirm before firing that you should do the admin check to ensure you have a round chambered. The one and only time this is done is when you're loading before going outside the wire (if you're not doing any test firing), or at the range. Better to check it while you have time, double check the mag in your weapon is seated then it'll work when you need it and not have anything to worry about. Better to check.

-M
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As I posted in another thread. Using the witness holes in the magazine is a far better method than manipulating the slide. The potential for an out of battery slide is greatly increased when you start playing with it. Removing the magazine, ensuring the round count has decreased by one and reinserting(with a tap and tug) will not induce a stoppage. Same method for rifles.

TDC
 
Chamber checking is no more prone to inducing malfs than pulling a mag and checking it, if done properly. The single number one biggest malf is unseated mags, so by your thinking messing with mags is really the worst thing you could do.
 
Slavex said:
Chamber checking is no more prone to inducing malfs than pulling a mag and checking it, if done properly. The single number one biggest malf is unseated mags, so by your thinking messing with mags is really the worst thing you could do.
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Negative, removing a magazine then inserting it with a tug for confirmation is a none issue. Even if the magazine were not seated, the chambered round is still available. A visual check of the chamber can lead to an out of battery slide which means the first round(which could be the most important) will not fire. A visual inspection of the chamber also does not work in the dark, albeit neither does checking witness holes but a visual and physical check of a tactile loaded chamber indicator does.

TDC
 
So does a tactile check of the chamber. There is also no reason that manipulating the slide and then giving it a knock back in is any less of a non-issue than checking a mag for proper seating. I do not have any problem doing this with Glocks, SIGs, or 1911s.

I have seen a lot more mag seat issues than OOB issues. I would guess any experienced shooter would say the same.
 
I still teach a pinch check.

The mental aspect is as important as the phsical/mechanical aspect. Many need to see it to believe it. I do.

Also, I concur that the biggest cause of malfunctions on the line are due to improperly inserted mags.

Some firearms can't fit a "top up" round after chambering. It can cause improperly seated mags and if it's tight enough, can actually damage parts inside the gun. The extractor is one of those parts. When trying to eject a round when the round below is pressing up very tightly, extractors wear out faster and sometimes fail.
 
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