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so iv been creeping the forum for a while and reading as much as i can, iv been an avid shooter since i was 12 (26 now) but im just starting to get into the long range stuff (750-1000 yards) just for the sake of trying some thing new. but as much as i can read there are still a few choices for me that im finding difficult. and would like some real world input.

my rifle is a savage arms 110ba in .338 lapua, but im torn on the scope, iv been looking at the night force NXS 12-42x56, or the 5-25 x 56 Police Marksman by schmidt and bender. these are the two recommendations iv gotten from the local shop from the long range shooter there. which would you go with? or another option i should look at? i guess it should be noted that i am color blind and the more magnification and clearer resolution at full magnification i can get the better off i am.

now what of bases / rings? the gun does have a muzzle brake so they shouldnt be taking to bad of a s**t kicking but i still like heavy duty.

thanks for the input! and off back to the creeping and reading i go


and just a little FYI ive been reading and alot of guys say that the 338 is a bad rig to "learn" distance / precision on due to the cost of ammo and teaching bad habits due to recoil, when it comes to that part im fine, my "plinking" gun for the range right now is a tika t3 lite in .338WM with no recoil pad or brake
 
Welcome to CGN,

Im a fan of NF, I've herd nothing but good things. IMO I see more NF around here then S&B. I've also herd their warranty support for Canada is top notch. You should call Rick over at ATRS, he's an authorized dealer and may be able to give you more info. As far as rings go I've always used TPS, they are indeed heavy duty. TPS rings can be had from brownells for a good price. I think mine costed me about 90 bucks to my door.

Good luck,
 
The new Sightron SIII LR lineup is certainly worth a look. There is something for every LR application and the pricing is substantially lower but some will say you end up with a better scope.

Schmidt and Bender has some of the best glass in the industry and priced accordingly.


For a base, the Farrell 1pc steel 20 MOA base has proven to be a consistently well built unit and I have yet to hear a single complaint in use. A great value.

I use the Burris Sig Zee rings on all my rigs and they are not only superbly built, they have features that I feel work better then any other product.

These items have been used on a number of boomers and customers have been thrilled with the performance.

The coatings on the Sightron favor primary colours and they really pop. I know of very few scopes that offer more resolution at such high mag and I have looked through pretty much all available scopes.

Let me know if I can help you get set up with the optics as well as feeding the beast.

If you haven't done so, consider bedding that Savage. The Accustock is a wonderful idea that kind of got messed up in production.

Thanks,

Jerry
 
ultimate_monkey said:
so iv been creeping the forum for a while and reading as much as i can, iv been an avid shooter since i was 12 (26 now) but im just starting to get into the long range stuff (750-1000 yards) just for the sake of trying some thing new. but as much as i can read there are still a few choices for me that im finding difficult. and would like some real world input.

my rifle is a savage arms 110ba in .338 lapua, but im torn on the scope, iv been looking at the night force NXS 12-42x56, or the 5-25 x 56 Police Marksman by schmidt and bender. these are the two recommendations iv gotten from the local shop from the long range shooter there. which would you go with? or another option i should look at? i guess it should be noted that i am color blind and the more magnification and clearer resolution at full magnification i can get the better off i am.

now what of bases / rings? the gun does have a muzzle brake so they shouldnt be taking to bad of a s**t kicking but i still like heavy duty.

thanks for the input! and off back to the creeping and reading i go


and just a little FYI ive been reading and alot of guys say that the 338 is a bad rig to "learn" distance / precision on due to the cost of ammo and teaching bad habits due to recoil, when it comes to that part im fine, my "plinking" gun for the range right now is a tika t3 lite in .338WM with no recoil pad or brake
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OK rifle, great calibre but WRONG optic.
A 12x42 has only 45 moa total MOA of elevation. Unless you put a TON of MOA into the rail, which on the Savage is 0 MOA by the way, you will not likely get to 1000 yards. I shoot a 338 Lapua and mine needs 28.75 MOA to reach 1000 yards shooting the 250 Scenars
Most new long range shooters make the mistake of thinking high magnification is the answer . Seldom do you actually use the highest power due to mirage.
A better option would be either a 5.5x22 or even the 8x32, both of which have alot more elevation built in to the scope.
In any event a NF would be the best choice in my opinion.
The S&Bs are great optics but I prefer as most do to have a constant reticle size rather than having the reticle get very small on low magnification and virtually obscure the target at high magnification.
 
thanks both of you definitely more things for me to look into! they only "bad" think i have found so far about the NF scopes is they loose resolution at the higher magnifications.

Jerry, i haven't bedded the savage (hell i havnt even shot it yet haha) , how would one go about doing that in an all aluminum stock? iv seen it done on wood but is it basically the same on aluminum?

time to creep your web site too haha cheers!
 
20x.. thanks for the input.. the reason i was goin for the higher magnification was due to my color blindness, im 100% color blind so at further distance it becomes harder to define lines of differnet objects.. for the scopes your refering to are you talkin about the NF scopes?

so when talking MOA in scopes the moa being 45 of adjustment that would be 22.5 up and 22.5 down off perfect center? and the 5-22 has 100 thats 50 up and 50 down correct? (noobish i know but most of my shooting is with pistols)


edit : upon closer reading yes you were talking NF haha
 
ultimate_monkey said:
thanks both of you definitely more things for me to look into! they only "bad" think i have found so far about the NF scopes is they loose resolution at the higher magnifications.

Jerry, i haven't bedded the savage (hell i havnt even shot it yet haha) , how would one go about doing that in an all aluminum stock? iv seen it done on wood but is it basically the same on aluminum?

time to creep your web site too haha cheers!
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Similar but the accustock has its very time consuming quirks.

Jerry
 
Longshot said:
There's a reason the CF uses S+B scopes on our sniper rigs.
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So do we over here.

I won't push the point, but currently a British marksman holds the longest ever set of three successful consecutive shots on two taliban and their machine gun, using the .338LM sniping rifle with S&B optics, beating M/Cpl Rob Furlongs sahots wit ha .50cal MacMillan by a comfortable margin.

Just sayin'.

tac in yUK
 
tacfoley said:
So do we over here.

I won't push the point, but currently a British marksman holds the longest ever set of three successful consecutive shots on two taliban and their machine gun, using the .338LM sniping rifle with S&B optics, beating M/Cpl Rob Furlongs sahots wit ha .50cal MacMillan by a comfortable margin.

Just sayin'.

tac in yUK
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Canadian snipers have never needed to go that far, and Rob Furlong himself said that the shot was mostly luck at that distance. It was a crap shoot. Literally.

Btw, Rob Furlong is a Newfie before a Canadian. Just sayin'.
 
ultimate_monkey said:
so when talking MOA in scopes the moa being 45 of adjustment that would be 22.5 up and 22.5 down off perfect center? and the 5-22 has 100 thats 50 up and 50 down correct? (noobish i know but most of my shooting is with pistols)
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You'll never be zero'd exactly halfway through your range. But for example, with a flat base, lets say you zero at 200 (or where ever) and you have 40 minutes of "up" left in your scope adjustment. This may not be enough for a long-range shot.
Change out to a 20 min. base, everything else staying the same, and you now have 60 minutes of up available.

Hope this helps ya....

(clear as mud?)
 
a 300 grain 338 SMK doing 2800 FPS will drop roughly 26 minutes at 1000 yards from 100 yards. That is well within the capabilities of any good scope, particularly with a 20MOA rail. The berger drops even less.

At one mile, it will drop 68 minutes, and there are precious few scpes that can handle that withgout extra taper, shims, or ring inserts.

You will never regret buying as much good quality magnification as you can get. You can always dial a scope down, but there are limits to how much magnification you can have.

I use my NF 12-42X56BR scope for shooting to one mile with a 6BR (on a tapered base) and it works fine - providing the atmospheric conditions allow it. You are often better off with less power on sunny hot days because of mirage.

S&B are superlative scopes. Nightforce are also without a doubt the #1 choice of competitive long-distance shooters.

Snipers are trying to hit man-sized tagets at long range. Our quarry is the size of a tuna can lid.

You definitely get what you pay for with scopes, and never forget that.
 
I've seen the British snipers compete against the best Canadians at the CISC. We cleanned them(CAD 1st-Brits last, as usual) and everyone else 3 years in row. Just sayin.
 
tacfoley said:
So do we over here.

I won't push the point, but currently a British marksman holds the longest ever set of three successful consecutive shots on two taliban and their machine gun, using the .338LM sniping rifle with S&B optics, beating M/Cpl Rob Furlongs sahots wit ha .50cal MacMillan by a comfortable margin.

Just sayin'.

tac in yUK
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Fire enough shots and you'll get a hit eventually.
 
Longshot said:
There's a reason the CF uses S+B scopes on our sniper rigs.
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Yup the very same reasons for the Federal purchases of "ground seeking helicopters", slightly used Brit submarines that sink when they shouldn't.
If anyone thinks that the military always uses or procures the very best for our boys, ya may want to think again.
Many Government procurements are in fact based on back office deals or are garnered by interest groups, like when the US adopted the M60 machine gun, which is well known to be 1 of the worst designs in modern history, eclipsed possibly only by the Carcano.
 
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