M&P MAG safety
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Yes, the magazine safety can be eliminated. Do a net search, you will find instructions. S&W will not tell you how to do it, but it is easy to do.
There are M&Ps made without the feature, they will be so engraved on the slide.
Some shooting disciplines do not allow the elimination of factory safety features.
Is there a reason you want to remove the magazine safety?
There are M&Ps made without the feature, they will be so engraved on the slide.
Some shooting disciplines do not allow the elimination of factory safety features.
Is there a reason you want to remove the magazine safety?
You could probably cut it as well but I think a firearm should have some kind of saftey. I could see if your LE and accidently ejected your magazine in a situation you would be hooped with one in the pipe and no way to discharge. But having one in the pipe and pulling from a holster in a high stress situation could be dangerous if your finger comes into contact with that trigger to soon. Either way I love my M&P40 but I don't know if I was a LE officer if I would have it as a duty pistol, and if I did I don't think I would carry it with one chambered.
The "mag safety" only disables the gun when the mag is removed. When the mag is in the gun it is no more "safe" with the mag safety installed then if it weren't. A more appropriate name for the device would be a "mag disconnect". S&W refers to it as a safety device hence some shooting sports like IDPA have rules prohibiting the removal of the device for use in competitions.
The mag disconnect on the M&P plays no part in the performance of the the gun and does not influence the trigger pull. Other than the nuisance of having to insert a mag into the gun to prove the gun is empty the device should not impact the average shooter.
Take Care
Bob
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Holy crap....hard to believe someone can be wrong that many times this early in the morning.
I suggest you spend some time doing research and reading before you post.
If you cut the activator on the mag safety you will be left with a non-functioning firearm.
The 'mag-safety' is a feature that some law enforcement agencies require in a service firearms for reasons of their own. According to Mr. Ayoob this is a feature that has saved LEO lives when the officer lost control of their firearm but were able to eject the mag prior to losing the gun - don't ask me when or how, it's his story not mine.
For non-LEO users in Canada the 'mag-safety' is nothing more than a PITA.
So I guess if you were an LEO you think you would have time to draw your firearm and rack your slide while you were being attacked by someone trying to kill you?
Go back to the mall
John
You wouldn't be a cop long once you got caught carrying without one in the pipe.
Mas's argument about dropping mags has never made sense. If you can hit the magazine button you can pull the trigger. Something you should have already done at that point in a fight.
Mas's argument about dropping mags has never made sense. If you can hit the magazine button you can pull the trigger. Something you should have already done at that point in a fight.
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You'll get no argument from me but from what I understand this is something some agencies request
I watched him on a personal defense program and his claim at that time was he knew of 1 or more instances where this 'feature' had saved an LEO's life. True?? I have no idea but I doubt he would put his rep on the line by BS'ing. But like I said it is his story not mine
Not being an LEO or otherwise employed where I have to rely on a handgun to defend myself or the public I am not really in position to argue the merits or lack thereof of the whole 'mag-safety' issue.
John
I think IIRC the story was the fight started the BG grabbed the cops gun and the cop was able to hit the mag release as they struggled for the gun. Once the mag was disengaged the gun wouldn't fire. I can see it happening. Not every situation calls for immediate lethal reaction and sometimes situations just get out of hand.
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Bob
mag disconect is just another selling feature for the police boards who make the final decision on which firearm to get. they dont only decide what gun to get but they also see risk factors, and if they think that the more safety features the gun has, the lower the risk to the police force, they get it...i personally have a m&p40 with a mag disconnect, there is absolutely no point to it because i have to unload my magazine to test fire it after a field strip and then reload the magazine for duty carry...PITA
I have one argument against that stupid safety...with my current holster there is NO WAY the magazine release can be accidentally released, therefore ensuring my firearm can fire. With an older holster however, guys have accidentally depressed their magazine release buttons and almost lost theirs magazines....and with a mag disconnect, that round in there just sits there, waiting for another magazine to be insterted for the gun to fire...i believe that there are kits and instructions to disable it, if you can do it safely, go right ahead...i dont think that the guns reliability is affected by removal of that safety as it is mass produced and just added later on as per order.
I have one argument against that stupid safety...with my current holster there is NO WAY the magazine release can be accidentally released, therefore ensuring my firearm can fire. With an older holster however, guys have accidentally depressed their magazine release buttons and almost lost theirs magazines....and with a mag disconnect, that round in there just sits there, waiting for another magazine to be insterted for the gun to fire...i believe that there are kits and instructions to disable it, if you can do it safely, go right ahead...i dont think that the guns reliability is affected by removal of that safety as it is mass produced and just added later on as per order.
Better yet I wish S&W would come out with the kits and state the gun is a feature not a safety device and we could then remove it for competitions.
Take Care
Bob
Holy crap....hard to believe someone can be wrong that many times this early in the morning.
I suggest you spend some time doing research and reading before you post.
If you cut the activator on the mag safety you will be left with a non-functioning firearm.
The 'mag-safety' is a feature that some law enforcement agencies require in a service firearms for reasons of their own. According to Mr. Ayoob this is a feature that has saved LEO lives when the officer lost control of their firearm but were able to eject the mag prior to losing the gun - don't ask me when or how, it's his story not mine.
For non-LEO users in Canada the 'mag-safety' is nothing more than a PITA.
So I guess if you were an LEO you think you would have time to draw your firearm and rack your slide while you were being attacked by someone trying to kill you?
Go back to the mall
John
Yes thinking about it now yes if you cut the saftey the lever would be down hence mag saftey engaged. I'm out to lunch there. But I have read in the paper three times of LOE's leaving ranges on streachers due to firearm injuries. There was even pictures for guys like you that can't read. I am not LEO or ever claimed to be but trying to be the outlaw Josie Wales would be dangerous for myself personally and I wouldn't do it but then again an LOE would fire more rounds out of an M&P in a month than I would in a year. In a struggle and that weapon is halfway out of a holster and there is two or four hands on it the possibility of either the trigger or mag relese being engauged is possible. Get a pencil and draw a picture of where that muzzel is pointed John. Somebody on this forum quotes "1911 cocked and locked safer than a Glock", maybe that is why the 1911 platform is having a resurgence in LE circles. Try and go out and buy a Springfield TRP and take it home the next day. You'll probably be hanging out at the mall with your buddies scouting chicks that won't give you the time of day for a long time waiting for that to arrive.
What you are missing that whether the mag disconnect is installed or not the gun, with a mag in it will go off if the trigger is pulled. It only comes into play when the mag disonnect is operable and the mag is not in the gun. It is at that poin the gun won't go off.
The gun has a trigger safety. Unless it is pulled no bang either with or without the mag disconnect when a mag is in the gun.
Take Care
Bob
ps Unless your point is you just don't like safe action pistols and if that is the case....
1911 returning to police departments en masse.. not likely. For one thing they cost to much.
Of course the gun won't go off with the mag out hense mag safety. duhh. Here's a situation for you, your a perp who would rather die than go to jail and on a one on one situation with a LOE packin an M&P whatever and knowing what you know about firearms, wouldn't you want to get your fingers on that trigger before that gun is totaly deployed against you? If you can get it to go off chances are after the bang I don't think he will be pusuing you over fences and through yards. Not much of a trigger saftey and as for the 1911 "simple stupid,stupid simple". Reading the review on the 1911 TRP said most will be going for LE so the chances of getting one with a tac rail will require a wait for who knows how long. Maybe next year with a $2000 bill might be different but today isn't. Guys have been on this forum asking who stocks them and nobody seems to have one.
Yes there are a few times where magazine safeties have saved someone. But there have been times when its gotten people killed as well. Better weapon retention training is far more useful in my view and a gun that will work all the time.
X2, Like I said I'm not LE and don't know how they train or holsters or anything. I ride dirtbike and I bet you my evil kinevil impression would not be impressive from my perspective. Just as I would not disconect my mag saftey or play quickdraw with a round in the pipe with my M&P40. Just because I have disability insurance doesn't mean I want to claim it.
and back to the original question that sparked an interesting discussion, yes, smith and wesson makes the mag disconnect safety optional on their models, you can tell by the etched slide markings indicating that the gun has no magazine disconnect installed
From your posts above, that's readily apparent to most.
Why not? Are you that sloppy with basic skills that you don't know when to put your finger on the trigger while using a holster? Because putting your finger on the trigger when you aren't supposed to is pretty much the only issue with not being comfortable with a round in the chamber.
