How to load a Mosin 1891-30?

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I have some 7.62 R snap caps, I've tried loading the 2 of them into a Mosin 1891-30 by fingers, I've fumbled around and gotten jams. It seems the upper shell might go down behind the rim of the lower shell and it makes the bolt jam- you have to open the floorplate and dump the mag to clear those.

I can't believe there isn't a better way...

Were these always loaded via 5 rd. stripper clips? If so where can I get a few, or does someone have any extras?

Best source/price of non corrosive ammo?
 
The mosin mag design should prevent the rims from interfering. As I recall the mag spring retracts a bit once the bolt starts being shoved home.

Does the rifle feed fine with factory ammo? You might need to take it too a range / safe shooting location and see how it works real cartridges. There could be something not in spec with the snap caps.

I used to load mine one round at a time always. There would be no difference with stripper clips I think.
 
As with anything, a little semblance of order goes a long way.

It stands to reason that the rim of the upper shell must be forward of the following shell to prevent a jam. When loading, keeping an eye on this and loading single rounds at a time slightly forward then sliding them back into place will ease frustrations.

Stripper clips? Same principle goes, the rims on the upper shells in the stripper must be forward of the following shell's rim for proper feeding once loaded.

The mosin is a simple and tough stick, but it does not stand to be excluded from simple rules of interference.
 
woodchopper said:
nagants have that little interupter that prevents rim over jams, or at least thats what it is designed to do.
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It does seem very awkward to load...I can't imagine being out in the winter and having people trying to kill you in battle, and it being this hard to load it. Just looking for how they did it.
Did the Russians use stripper clips?
 
Yes they used stripper clips.

Best price I've seen for ammo is at Marstar. However, I ordered a case from them last Monday and they haven't shipped it yet and aren't responding to my emails.
 
I cant help but wonder if you're accidentally tripping the magazine disconnect in some way - take one round and push it well into the magazine, the disconnect will 'seperate' it from the bolt-way, so operating the bolt shouldnt strip it out.

To release the disconnect, there is a little tongue of metal which will protrude from the magazine will on the left side - give it a press and the round(s) will move upward.
 
bluemike807 said:
I cant help but wonder if you're accidentally tripping the magazine disconnect in some way - take one round and push it well into the magazine, the disconnect will 'seperate' it from the bolt-way, so operating the bolt shouldnt strip it out.

To release the disconnect, there is a little tongue of metal which will protrude from the magazine will on the left side - give it a press and the round(s) will move upward.
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Maybe that's it, I wasn't pushing the first round down far enough to catch on that disconnect.

Actually found lots on Youtube on this.

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For the magazine to function properly, the bolt must be pulled all the way to the rear, until it hits the bolt stop. Work the bolt, don't play with it.
 
Howdy

I'm new to Mosin Nagants as well, but I've done lots of experimenting with my new 91/30. Even if you deliberately try to rimlock all 5 rounds when loading it, only the first round on top will get caught. Even then, a good whack on the bolt will make it overide the bevel of the round underneath and it will chamber. The next four rounds feed with no problems.

I"ve had the impression for years that Mosin Nagants where junk. But after several shooting sessions in the snow, I realize that it is a better feeding system for a rimmed cartridge then the Lee Enfield. :eek:(yes I know, sacrilege)

Sticker
 
woodchopper said:
nagants have that little interupter that prevents rim over jams, or at least thats what it is designed to do.
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+1 Well at least someone knows what they're talking about.

The Mosin_Nagant can have the rims alighned what ever way you want in the mag. There is an interrupter in th magazine that depresses the second round thus allowing the top round to just float around a little. This way a hastily loaded gun won't jamb in battle due to rim hang ups.....like an enfeild

Either your snap caps are not made to 7.62x54R specs,your interrupter is damaged or stuck,or your bolt is heavily worn (the bottom of the bolt actuates the interrupter)
 
ciphery said:
Either your snap caps are not made to 7.62x54R specs,your interrupter is damaged or stuck,or your bolt is heavily worn (the bottom of the bolt actuates the interrupter)
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Which may be the case, if worn or not working try my advice:

You want the rims to be in front of the previously loaded cartridges rim but it's a soviet military rifle, it'll work regardless.

I find that when I load with Stripper Clips, it works best if I stagger the rounds on the clip in the manner shown below:
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rimfiremac said:
As with anything, a little semblance of order goes a long way.

It stands to reason that the rim of the upper shell must be forward of the following shell to prevent a jam. When loading, keeping an eye on this and loading single rounds at a time slightly forward then sliding them back into place will ease frustrations.

Stripper clips? Same principle goes, the rims on the upper shells in the stripper must be forward of the following shell's rim for proper feeding once loaded.

The mosin is a simple and tough stick, but it does not stand to be excluded from simple rules of interference.
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Actually the reason for the second half of the guns name is due to Nagants interrupter which prevents rim hangups....thus negating the rules of interference.
The proper way of loading a Mosin-Nagant stripper clip is; centre (3) on bottom then 2 and 4 on top of 3's rim then 1,5 on top of 2,4's rims. This makes half of the rims free and half "hung up" no matter which way the stripper is fed into the gun! More importantly is that it makes the clip square and thus easier to cram into the gun in a hurry.
Please see manuel when in doubt....or read forums @ 7.62x54r.net if you do not have one
PS to answer the OP last part;
Privy Partizan 150 gn soft point. About $23.00>$27.00 they are anealed case mouths with canalured spitzer boat tail bullets. Non corrosive and boxer primed. I preffer the cases marked nny for reloading over the ppu headstamp. Just a personal preference.
 
No absolutes in life. I've not looked at it in depth, but my latest Mosin has a tendency to have the rim on the interupted rd grab the top rd in the magazine.
I would imagine that the interupter is weak; it's a non-refurbed unit after all.
But to state with absolute certainty one way or the other...might be unwise.
 
my mosin loads easy, one cartridge at a time, and never jams. ever. so far. And I have never really worried about rim location.
If your havin trouble, something is likely not 100%
 
Just to inject a note of realism in here for a minute.

The Nagant cartridge interruptor prevents rim-over-rim jams but you have to USE it the way it was designed. This means that rounds must be pushed DOWN into the magazine far enough for the cartridges to be held by the interruptor. Push them down far enough that you can FEEL or HEAR the interruptor catch them. If you shove too far, no matter: cycle the bolt completely once and a round will pop up into feed position. You MUST cycle the bolt COMPLETELY: the interruptor is actuated by the bolt being turned fully into LOCK position. Do it slowly some time and you will HEAR the interruptor release the cartridge.

If you don't believe me, take the rifle apart and quietly ANALYSE what is going on. Black magic it is not; what it IS is darned good design. Emile and Leon earned their royalty money.

Best way to load the CHARGERS is with the outermost rounds flat against the back of the charger, the inner rounds standing on their rims and the innermost round standing on the rims of the inner rounds. From the side it looks like a pyramid: _-!-_. Do it like this and your chargers will work quickly and cleanly and they will do it every time. This is not MY way of doing this. Rather, it is the IMPERIAL RUSSIAN ARMY's way of doing it. They just might know a few things about thes rifles. For confirmation, see Plate LXII, facing Page 192 of the TEXT BOOK OF SMALL ARMS - 1909, put out by His Most Brittanic Majesty King Edward VII's Stationery Office in that same year.

Moisin-Nagant CHARGERS are available from Trade-Ex at $4 for a box of 5. My latest 15 arrived today and will do for a while, so you can order some now!

Moisin-Nagant rifles cannot be 'gentled'. They were designed and made to be worked positively, almost harshly. Keep the screws tight, operate the rifle as designed and it WILL work, right down to 50 below. You can't say that for very many rifles of ANY type.

Hope this helps.
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smellie said:
The Nagant cartridge interruptor prevents rim-over-rim jams but you have to USE it the way it was designed. This means that rounds must be pushed DOWN into the magazine far enough for the cartridges to be held by the interruptor. Push them down far enough that you can FEEL or HEAR the interruptor catch them. If you shove too far, no matter: cycle the bolt completely once and a round will pop up into feed position. You MUST cycle the bolt COMPLETELY: the interruptor is actuated by the bolt being turned fully into LOCK position. Do it slowly some time and you will HEAR the interruptor release the cartridge.

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Moisin-Nagant rifles cannot be 'gentled'. They were designed and made to be worked positively, almost harshly. Keep the screws tight, operate the rifle as designed and it WILL work, right down to 50 below. You can't say that for very many rifles of ANY type.
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I second these points as well, I love the Mosin design and I love my M91 as I have never had a jam feeding from her magazine.

I just wish Enfields had the interrupter piece. Even if you load the Enfield charger clips right, one round moving in front of the either while you are charging the clip and you will have problems.

That Mosin loading video posted earlier in the thread taught me a new way to charge the magazine. I had always performed it via the "#1" way but the "#2" way looks really interesting and I will have to give it a try at the range.
 
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