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ok so my first shotgun should be here next week. ive been doing some reading through here and google and wanna make sure im safe when i start using it. its a 14 inch norinco hp9. i wanna shoot slugs through it but also wanna see if i can do some clay shooting with it and potentially hunt in the future which im sure would require a longer barrel. for the time being im just interested in having fun with it. so what ive learned is the choke will determine the spread of the buckshot, does the choke need to be removed before i can shoot slugs through it? do i need to do anything to it before changing the type of ammo i put through it? i think thats about it. thanks
 
AFAIK the 14" is cyl bore. safe with any shell the barrel is stamped for. you can fire foster (rifled) slugs through any choke constriction as tight as full, but anything tighter is not recomended. Buckshot works best with looser chokes (cyl, ic, mod) Smaller shot is where tighter chokes come in for longer range. Having it threaded for a common choke tube pattern will let you dial in damn near any load. FWIW I have fired the older Federal Classic 3" slugs through a full choke (1 1/4 oz. 547 gr.@1750 fps) with no issues. rifled slugs compress as they pass through a choke's constriction and are cast undersize. this is necessary so they can be fired in any shotgun so long as theyre the proper gauge and length. load up on whichever slugs fit your gun and have fun. the 15 pack of Winchester 2 3/4" slugs from canadian tire are a good buy
 
uchi said:
ok so my first shotgun should be here next week. ive been doing some reading through here and google and wanna make sure im safe when i start using it. its a 14 inch norinco hp9. i wanna shoot slugs through it but also wanna see if i can do some clay shooting with it and potentially hunt in the future which im sure would require a longer barrel. for the time being im just interested in having fun with it. so what ive learned is the choke will determine the spread of the buckshot, does the choke need to be removed before i can shoot slugs through it? do i need to do anything to it before changing the type of ammo i put through it? i think thats about it. thanks
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Rifled choke tubes are available for shooting slugs if you want slightly better accuracy with sabot slugs. However, you may shoot rifled slugs and sabots with most choke tubes installed just fine.

Do not use any turkey chokes with any type of slug. Turkey chokes are too tight for slugs.

Do not shoot any type of slug without a choke tube in place. I would not shoot steel shot with any choke tube installed.

Play safe.
 
Your 14" HP9 barrel will not be threaded to accept chokes. From what I gather, you can either get it threaded to accept chokes (honestly don't know much about the process) or buy a barrel for other uses if required.

As I said I'm not a shotgun expert and I'm sure someone else will add more. The 14" HP9 sure is a lot of fun though!
 
great info thanks alot guys. good to know i wont blow myself up when i first fire it, maybe ill let a friend try it first just incase, lol.

its nice i have a crappy tire around the corner from me, atleast it carrys ammo for one of the guns i own now and i dont have to drive all over the place looking for more.
 
I have an 18" HP-9. The others above are correct, this and the 14" version are both Cylider Bore and not threaded for choke tubes. I haven't looked in to having the barrel threaded, and don't know if there's enough thickness at the muzzle to make it an option. That said, as I understand it your 14" HP-9 should be compatible with standard Remington 870 barrels, so you'll have a choice of adding whatever you want in future...choked, rifled, longer, whatever. Sadly, the 18" version won't accept 870 barrels without modification.

I've run plenty of slugs, buck, target loads, etc through mine with no problems. As a side note - when I received mine, the amusingly translated chinese manual did not specify what shell lengths the gun can handle, and the chamber markings were partially filled in by the barrel coating so I had to check with the dealer. Long story short, you can shoot any shell marked 2 3/4" or 3". Don't touch anything marked 3 1/2".

It's a great cheap, fun shotgun :)
 
sparq said:
I have an 18" HP-9. The others above are correct, this and the 14" version are both Cylider Bore and not threaded for choke tubes. I haven't looked in to having the barrel threaded, and don't know if there's enough thickness at the muzzle to make it an option. That said, as I understand it your 14" HP-9 should be compatible with standard Remington 870 barrels, so you'll have a choice of adding whatever you want in future...choked, rifled, longer, whatever. Sadly, the 18" version won't accept 870 barrels without modification.

I've run plenty of slugs, buck, target loads, etc through mine with no problems. As a side note - when I received mine, the amusingly translated chinese manual did not specify what shell lengths the gun can handle, and the chamber markings were partially filled in by the barrel coating so I had to check with the dealer. Long story short, you can shoot any shell marked 2 3/4" or 3". Don't touch anything marked 3 1/2".

It's a great cheap, fun shotgun :)
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good to know thanks alot. i love chinese manuals, i buy alot of chinese stuff through ebay and im not sure if they use online translators for things or if a group of them get together and just put the english words they know onto paper and call it a manual, lol.

so youre saying that the 14 inch doesnt have a choke, how does that affect spread of the shot if im shooting clays or something? common sense would tell me it would just spread alot further but then again it could be the opposite. i wouldnt mind doing some clay shooting with it just to have a little fun and change it up from regular target shooting. and i think i mentioned ill eventually hunt with it so a longer barrel will likely be in order for that.

thanks again for the information guys, appreciate you taking it easy on me :)
 
cyl. bore has no choke constriction, it will not tighten your patterns. my 18.5" cyl. bore has a max effective range with birdshot of about 20 yds. anything past that would not be a humane kill. yours will probably do worse. that being said, others have shot trap with short bbl shotguns effectively. Try a bunch of different target/bird loads to see what patterns best. I understad 870's and norinco knock-offs dont like the cheap winchester universal loads from crappy tire and walmart, but all 3 of my shotguns love them (mossberg/benelli/stevens) so I'd go with federal top gun and the like
 
going out tomorow to shoot trap with a cuple 12.5"s, as long as you care more about having fun than having a perfect record, its a ton of fun! best i was doing was about 1/3 hit, but then again ive shot skeet/trap 4 times in my life, so with practice it should get easier, all are cyl bore barrels too, no choke
 
what happens if i run the cheaper ammo? does it not feed right through the gun? what do you use for clay shooting with your 18.5?

kenyon im all about having fun, plus if there are 4 shells to go through im bound to hit the clay or atleast come close to it, lol. what kind of shells are you guys using with those 12.5s? wanna get an idea of what i should start with.

thanks for the info guys
 
uchi, the norinco and rem guys seem to have feeding issues with win. bulk ammo. I dont shoot trap, I just patterned my Benelli to see how it does with the small stuff.
 
uchi,
Nobody has said this yet so I guess I had better. Be sure to disassemble the gun down to its main components, barrel, reciever, trigger group and bolt and be sure to remove the retaining cap, spring and follower from the mag tube. Clean all the packing grease off it, the chinese use some gooey stuff that gets impossible to remove later. I use spray cans of brake clean but watch out leaving that on the plastic parts for any length of time. Make sure you get it all out of the reciever and spray out the trigger group, bolt and barrel also. Make sure you get the chamber clean, a bore snake works really good. The brake clean evaporates quickly but be sure to do it outdoors, you do not want those fumes inside and do not let it drip on anything important like a sundeck. Then lube your gun with some light oil and rub some on the phosphate finish on the outside and let it soak in. Then you will be ready to "load and fire".
Kim
Of course if this is a used gun you should do the cleaning thing anyways but it is not as important. Also if it is a new gun from a dealer make sure it is a HP-9 for sure and not the infamous Homeland Security 780 which has been known to be sold/registered once in a while as a HP-9.
 
I'll try a box of the cheap stuff just to try out and if I have issues I'll start buying the better stuff.

thanks for the tips Kim. I watched a few vids today on proper stripping and cleaning of the 870 so I'll be sure to thoroughly clean and oil this thing before I use it.

thanks for all the help guys. one last thing a little off topic. if I load a shell into the chamber and then for some reason can't shoot it can I just rank the pump and eject the shell without causing damage to it?
 
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