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- Kumankissmyass, BC
shooting on my own property?
- Thread starter uchi
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you messed up when filling out the ATT then..
you should of put ALL APPROVED RANGES , and time monday-sunday 00:00-23:59
He didn't. That's the way it is in Quebec.
I was told by my CFO (speaking face to face with her in the office) that I could shoot restricted on my property if I built a range and that if no guests were going to use it it did not have to be inspected. She photo copied the guidelines and gave them to me.
Also I met an RCMP "weapons tech" at the range that told me I was allowed to shoot restricted on my own property.
Also I met an RCMP "weapons tech" at the range that told me I was allowed to shoot restricted on my own property.
This was the only thing I could find so far...
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SOR-98-209/page-7.html#anchorbo-ga:s_15
And it don't say anything about restricted or non restricted firearms
Here is the rest of the Firearms Act, and it makes no mention of Discharge anywhere
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/F-11.6/
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http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SOR-98-209/page-7.html#anchorbo-ga:s_15
And it don't say anything about restricted or non restricted firearms
Here is the rest of the Firearms Act, and it makes no mention of Discharge anywhere
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/F-11.6/
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APPLICATION
2. (1) These Regulations apply to
(a) shooting clubs; and
(b) subject to subsections (2) and (3), shooting ranges.
(2) A shooting range that is part of the premises of a licensed business is exempt from the application of these Regulations on the condition that it be used only by
(a) the owners, partners, directors and officers of the business who hold a licence authorizing the possession of the firearms that they use on the range; and
(b) the employees of the business who hold a licence authorizing the possession of the firearms that they use on the range or, in the case of prohibited firearms, authorizing the acquisition of restricted firearms.
I have an ammunition sales licence...If this information is accurate then I can shoot all I want I would assume to test ammunition. ????
2. (1) These Regulations apply to
(a) shooting clubs; and
(b) subject to subsections (2) and (3), shooting ranges.
(2) A shooting range that is part of the premises of a licensed business is exempt from the application of these Regulations on the condition that it be used only by
(a) the owners, partners, directors and officers of the business who hold a licence authorizing the possession of the firearms that they use on the range; and
(b) the employees of the business who hold a licence authorizing the possession of the firearms that they use on the range or, in the case of prohibited firearms, authorizing the acquisition of restricted firearms.
I have an ammunition sales licence...If this information is accurate then I can shoot all I want I would assume to test ammunition. ????
That's 'cause it's not there. It's one of those things we've been brainwashed into thinking we "know" -- you can only discharge a restricted firearm at an approved range -- which just isn't true. I shoot my handguns at Connaught a few times a year, which is NOT an approved range, as a for-instance. I have to get a special short-term ATT to do so, because it's not an approved range, but I am then technically discharging my restricted at a non-approved location. Why am I not arrested? Because nowhere in the CC does it say what people THINK it does. Including Bob, who keeps quoting the laws about possession and transportation as if it were about discharging the firearm.
There is no law that says you can only discharge a restricted at an approved range in the Criminal Code. You won't find it. I've looked, too, because I used to think I "knew" that was the law.
The ATT's are used to create the same effect, but do so based solely on possession and transportation, not discharge.
You now have me confused. If the law only speaks to where you can be in possession and you agree this is the case please tell us how you discharge your firearm without being in possession? I suspect this might be the first question a judge might address...just saying.
As to your example of the Connaught range you had permission via your ATT so you fulfilled the requirement of C 68..
Take Care
Bob
It would appear they leave it up to the municipalities, and that means you should check the bylaws of the particular area where your property is.
For instance here is Gimli which is going through a process.
http://www.interlakespectator.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=2405451
Find it and post it please.
We get far too many rumours and speculations posted on here. If there is a prohibition against the discharge of restricted weapons at places other than approved, no one else has found it.
What I'm saying is that we always hear "the law says you can only discharge a restricted firearm at an approved range" or "it's against the law to discharge a restricted firearm anywhere but at an approved range" but that (as was put forward at the start of this thread) is not what the law actually says, although the ATT is used by the provinces to accomplish the same effect. Federal law does not specifically require shooting the gun only at an approved range, or forbid discharge anywhere else. It's a technical, but potentially significant, point.
Legally, under the right circumstances, you can possess the restricted firearm at your house and discharge it without breaking the law. This to your question of how you "discharge your firearm without being in possession". You can also legally transport the firearm to a non-approved range or location and discharge it, if you have the appropriate ATT.
The point is that the ATT is the sticking point in the law when it comes to the question of "why can I shoot non-restricted on my property but not restricted?" and not the Criminal Code regarding shooting guns on your property as most people believe.
DEF: gun owners- trained dogs who ask "where in the hoop would you like me to jump through?"
I do wonder if part of all the confusion is that the law has been left sooooo wide open with loops and twists everywhere that no one knows what the law says (even a lawyer would be going in circles).
Probably the best answer would come from your home Province's CFO (but I doubt even they would answer you in writing)
I know I'm probably breaking many laws, but I'll let common sense be my guide.
I do wonder if part of all the confusion is that the law has been left sooooo wide open with loops and twists everywhere that no one knows what the law says (even a lawyer would be going in circles).
Probably the best answer would come from your home Province's CFO (but I doubt even they would answer you in writing)
I know I'm probably breaking many laws, but I'll let common sense be my guide.
So if this is how we are now seeing it, in a whole new light, I should be able to call up the CFO, ask for a STATT, so that I can bring my restricted firearms here - February 20th GTA/Nonquon Shoot!, which is crown land, not an approved range, and I would be good to go ?
Right ?
Anyone care to try this out ?
Edit:
Yes I realize this is a bit off, from the original question of can I shoot on my own property restricted firearms
Right ?
Anyone care to try this out ?
Edit:
Yes I realize this is a bit off, from the original question of can I shoot on my own property restricted firearms
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
The tomb requires mega ventilation (soundproofed also) to avoid flourescent purple fungus growing on your liver from all the lead cadmium mercury sinoxoid etc from the primer and powder detonation -
What, you think you're gonna live forever.
The tomb requires mega ventilation ... to avoid flourescent purple fungus growing on your liver from all the lead cadmium mercury sinoxoid etc from the primer and powder detonation -
Or wear a respirator.
Worth a try but I don't like your chances. I say that given all the bells and hoops one goes through just to get a Wilderness permit. Good luck. I think we would all be interested to hear what the CFO says.
Take Care
Bob
I think what he is talking about might be the fact as we saw in a couple cases in the case of self defense you can discharge a restricted or any firearm in an effort to save your life. Course you'll be charged and have to prove in court that you needed to do this to keep yourself alive since your ability to defend yourself with all the tools at your disposal overrides the right of the state to limit your usage of said tools. So even though it's illegal to discharge a gun in the city if your doing it to save your life they give ya a pass on it. Course this is way open so you get to guess if they will charge you or not. 
good luck with that.
So nope no target shooting unless you have a real B&E problem in your area and in which case I'd sell my house or move
good luck with that.So nope no target shooting unless you have a real B&E problem in your area and in which case I'd sell my house or move
- Location
- WMU248 near Edmonton
yes you could and the CFO will decide not to give you an ATT and determine that your request is not reasonable. You would have to ask for that in writing and then take that to court for a hearing.
Now I suggest if your going to do that make sure that you have the requirements for setting up an austeer range covered off
(you won't find this info in the RCMP range construction guidelines) and present to the judge that you were requesting your ATT to go shooting on crown land in a safe and legal manner at a temporary austeer range. Oh and have lots of money
