So last Friday I bought an M-14...

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So last Friday, we were out at the local gunstore, and they had an M-14 on the rack. After having read a lot on this forum for a couple of months now, I'd gotten interested in these Chinese made, American style rifles. The potential for accuracy, inexpensive entry price, enough power for hunting most big game on this continent, and plenty of aftermarket products appealed. Anyway, it had a black polymer stock, the metal folding buttplate, and a fake flash hider (unfortunately not slotted at all...looks like something they'd sell in Commiefornia!). The iron sights looked ok, and the trigger felt pretty good in the shop, and it was reasonably light (hollow plastic stock, normal profile barrel, no scopes or mounts). I had no intention of buying anything this month or next...but I ended up buying it!

Couple of days later, my buddy wanted to field strip it, clean away the grease, so I said “go for it”. So we learned quickly that while it isn't a totally obvious straightforward procedure, it's really easy to remember after doing it once or twice. Quick tip: when putting the trigger group back in, make sure it slides right into the steel receiver's groove...something we didn't notice the first time we reassembled it!
The cocking handle had some sharp corners to it...not enough to pierce skin, but sharp enough that I got a blood blister, and it stung a bit. 10 minutes with a file solved that very nicely...but I was mystified why they didn't cast that piece like that back in China the first time around...now the tips have bare metal with no parkerizing finish. I think I might use a few dabs of grey car touch-up paint to protect that from rust.

When he was done, I came over and I was fiddling with the rear sight range drum...and suddenly it was no longer raising/lowering the aperture arm! Argh!!! “Durn thing done broke an' I ain't even made her gone bang yet!”. Frustration. Ticked off, partly at myself, partly at Chinese manufacturing, I inquired here about rear sight assembly options, wondering about the cost of National Match rear systems. And yet that night my buddy figured out that all that happened was the screw had been loose (I think I had a screw loose up 'till then!). Sure enough, he saw there was a marking on the front of the arm, and we assumed that was for initial assembly indexing. Regardless, the sight appeared to be working properly, from a mechanical standpoint, so thanks buddy! He'd tracked down much more info from M-14.ca that includes TONS of reference materials in the convenient PDF format, including a detailed step-by step of how to grease/oil the M-14, which is important to proper functioning AFAIK.

Today we took it out for the first range trip, with the intent of becoming familiar with it, and attempt to get the thing zeroed. First shots were done standing position, unsupported, no slings. Gentle. Actually MUCH gentler than I expected...remember this was with a steel buttplate too, not rubber. It reminded us a fair bit of an unmodified SKS, but with a bit less muzzle flip and a bit more push. So far so good!

Now, understand that I do not have a scope nor a mount, all of this was done with the original Chinese factory iron sights. From M-14.ca, I downloaded a “M-14 25 meter zero” target. What you do is place this paper at 25 meters, follow the instructions on the front, set your sights to 250m mark, shoot at the little dot. You then adjust the front sight for windage (at least that's what we did) by loosening the screw and tapping it to the side of the dovetail. Hmm, I made the mistake of thinking about it backwards and suddenly we were off the paper...a little discouraging. My buddy suggested I did that wrong, and we tried the other direction, and we were darn near perfect right away. Elevation we adjusted by using the elevation knob until the groups were tight and on the thin line above the aiming dot. Then, when satisfied with the point of impact for the groups, we loosened off the sight side screw gently moved the range dial to 250m and re-tighten (the whole point of this is to get the sights to be “close enough” to be on the paper at 250m, after which you do a more precise zero at the real distance).

That seemed to be 'on'. To confirm it, I moved the range dial to 100m and shot a group at that distance...now my group wasn't that impressive (I'm brand new to this rifle, and been a long time since I did this kind of marksmanship), but it was clearly “on” at that distance. At the end of the day, I set the range dial to 200m, where some steel plates reside. 5 shots rapid, three solid audible hits! Not bad for a $450 iron sighted rifle, first day with this type, brand new.

The front sight blade was slightly out of square, but that's just nitpicking when talking about a budget rifle like this. Originally I planned to get a muzzle brake and rubber buttpad, but frankly I don't think I will bother rushing out to do either...it's really quite reasonable. Turns out, the trigger did feel much heavier, and somewhat gritty, than when at the gunshop, and did contribute to making it much tougher to concentrate on all the marksmanship techniques you learn from the Army and rifle competitions (iron sights only in my day).

It's no sniper rifle in this configuration. But I'm quite happy with the results. I can see there is plenty of potential in this design, thanks to the members in this very forum. I think one of the first things I'd like to address is that trigger feel!
 
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Cool! A great read/journal. Thanks for sharing your observations. Now... you ready for an M14 clinic? Whoops... not sure where you are! :D

Cheers,
Barney
 
Any of you have this problem? I have the 2 short mags that came with my M-305, and I bought one of the long ones a while later (20 rounder pinned to 5), and I can load 6 rounds into each of them. Is this common? If I order a few more, am I going to get more of the same?

I disassembled my long mag recently and I can not make it accept less rounds (only more if I cut metal). Would this really be considered a prohibited mag if I was inspected?
 
Do you have to really push hard to fit in the 6th ?

I have 2 20's and both have the metal stand inside attached to the floor plate and as far as i know they wont accept 6 rounds , i honestly never tried , ill check tomorrow for ya .

However to cover your ass i would attempt to take the interior metal out and maybe just add the rivet instead . a 6th round is well , a 6th round and not something to take a chance on .
 
Do you have to really push hard to fit in the 6th ?

I have 2 20's and both have the metal stand inside attached to the floor plate and as far as i know they wont accept 6 rounds , i honestly never tried , ill check tomorrow for ya .

However to cover your ass i would attempt to take the interior metal out and maybe just add the rivet instead . a 6th round is well , a 6th round and not something to take a chance on .

For the 2 short mags I push the 6th round down from the top and I have to squeeze harder on the last round (but not crazy hard), and on the longer mag the 6th round goes in as easy as all the others.

I am going to the range today. I'll take my mags with me and see if the gun smith can pop some rivets int here for me. (Unfortunately, I don't have a rivit gun myself).
 
1) ALL M14S have that screw-and it loosens regularly UNLESS you strip the sight and re-build it with loc-tite( blue) on the screw threads
2) the REAR sight is the key for BOTH ELEVATION AND WINDAGE- the ONLY time you move the front sight is if the REAR sight doesn't allow enough latitude for your load- and that SHOULD be set for a 147-150 grain load moving at approx 2700-2800 fps
my BEST suggestion is go get an M1 GARAND manual, as well as an m14- the sight systems are the same except the m14 is METERS, the garand yards-
fm23-8 is available on the net and pages 38 and 39 cover this- as well as any article on ZEROING THE GARAND rifle
the ELEVATION is the knob on the left, and the WINDAGE is the OUTER knob on the right- see those MARKS ON THE RECIEVER HEEL- there's 5 of them- THOSE ARE YOUR WINDAGE MARKS-turning the OUTSIDE KNOB ON THE RIGHT will move the CENTER MARK on the sight to line up with one of those marks- but now that you've moved the front sight, this is all moot UNLESS YOU PUT THE FRONT SIGHT BACK TO ZERO
 
... and the WINDAGE is the OUTER knob on the right-


Ah, thanks! I had been informed at the store though, that the Chinese version does not include a working windage knob, they said to adjust the front dovetail for windage. The knob is there, but they said it was for looks only, simplified for manufacturing. Is this incorrect?

Anyway, I took your advice and printed off the section of FM23-8 about the sights (pdf page 109-114, document page 92-97), will look that over.
 
Go to a Hungry Clinic and you'll also get your headspace checked, (take 3 pieces of fired brass), and do a poor man's trigger job.

The knob on the right of your rear sight should adjust your rear sight for windage. You should be able to see it move left and right. Uprading the rear sight to M1 Garand sights is commonly done, decide if you're going to use a scope or not before you do so.
 
Like RickR1100 said, it doesnt move, we tried that. The store that sold it to him, told us that windage is adjusted from the front sight. This was confirmed by two guys that worked there and that had just bought the same rifles themselves. Though if this still is incorrect there was a referencing mark made by the factory that we can return it to, although I/we tried and no movement was able.
 
either didnt know about this site or didnt have an m-14 yet

and my my m305 the windage knob sorta works it will move right on its own but i have to push and turn it at the same time to make it go left
 
I have a Leopould Rifleman 2x7 scope on my M305S (B Square no drill mount) and am waiting on a "civilian match" trigger job from the M14Doctor. I applied a do it yourself camo job on the synthetic stock, and now I have a damn good hunting rifle!
 
Like RickR1100 said, it doesnt move, we tried that. The store that sold it to him, told us that windage is adjusted from the front sight. This was confirmed by two guys that worked there and that had just bought the same rifles themselves. Though if this still is incorrect there was a referencing mark made by the factory that we can return it to, although I/we tried and no movement was able.

then they know NOTHING about m14 rifles or garands-to see what i mean, pull up stevespages.com/pdf/springfield_m1garand.pdf- what you had there was a case of misinformation spread by the old "they told 2 fiends and so on- had somebody actually got out a MANUAL AND LOOKED IT UP, you would have seen the folly- if your's doesn't work, then it's been incorrectly assembled or it's missing pieces- it's NOT there "just for show-" i have an ancient 305 and it is an EXACT DUPLICATE of the m14 rear sight- and it works properly- you MAY have to disassempble yours or get somebody like hungry or m14 doctor or somebody that's EXPERIENCED IN GARANDS to diagnose what's wrong with it- the fact that it won't move is proof there's DEFINATELY something WRONG with it- now, the FIRST thing to check is the WINDAGE KNOB nut- this is on the right side, in the CENTER OF THE WINDAGE KNOB- if this is done up TOO TIGHT , the WINDAGE KNOB WON'T MOVE likewise, if it's TOO LOOSE OR NOT THERE AT ALL, the windage knob will not move- it's THIS NUT that i pulled off and loctited into place AFTER MAKING SURE IT HAD THE CORRECT TENSION to make it work- yes, i COUNTED THE TURNS it took to make it too tight, and again for too loose, and then again for the correct tension- you can use your M14 COMBO TOOL- THAT FUNNY THING THAT'S STOWED IN THE BUTTSTOCK - the BLADE on the socket end is meant for this
 
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So last Friday I bought an M-14...

You're so f**ked!
You have NO idea what addiction you've laid on yourself.

ENJOY!!:D

Turns out, the trigger did feel much heavier, and somewhat gritty, than when at the gunshop, and did contribute to making it much tougher to concentrate on all the marksmanship techniques you learn from the Army and rifle competitions (iron sights only in my day)

I can account, that after 3000 rounds the trigger becomes a two stage, and a REALLY nice 2 stage, you'll love it.

Don't lap it, just shoot the hell out of it, it'll lap itself.

So last Friday I bought an M-14...

YOU"RE SO f**kED!!!! :runaway: :welcome:
 
Barney WENT to Alberta... Where were you?? LOL :p :D

He was in CALGARY, I was in EDMONTON working!!!!ARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!

I'd even paid and reserved a spot at Hungry's clinic at TSE!!!!

I'm patiently waiting for Hungry to make it back out thisaway.

To the OP:

Your wallet (and maybe wifey or GF) is going to hate you, now that you are part of the M-14 ADDICTION!!!!!:D
 
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