.375 H&H Vs .338win VS. 9.3 X62?

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But you can't have a flame war without a worthy adversary.:D

I agree and I'll ignore the rest I'm to busy moving into my new house right now and getting my garage safe built to care...

I'm not even going to the Tradex for the Sportsmans show was going to man the Wild Sheep Society booth with my very good buddy David Hietsman but had to pass...

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Due to 375 Ruger ballistics =ing or just barely beating 375H&H ballistics I have never really looked at data for it and I had sold my 375 H&H years ago because it wasn't enough for my needs so I finally decided to take a few minutes and check reload data on other sites.

My 260gr Accubonds loads are averaging 3020fps in my 21" barreled 375RUM I checked Noslers 375 Ruger load data to compare the same bullet in the 375 Ruger = 2931fps which is very impressive by any standards the fastest load they listed is appr 90fps slower than my 375RUM then I noticed those velocities are coming from a 5" longer 26" Pac-Nor barrel which if you subtract 20fps/inch = appr 200fps slower. :eek:

I also just double checked Barnes the top listed velocity for the 350gr bullet is 2400fps in a 24" barrel but this is with a 99% load density with the reduced barrel length and lets equal out barrel lengths to be fair so only reducing 20fps for 3" the Ruger at far higher pressures is 110fps slower than my reduced loads...

The way I look at it is if all your needs are for 375H&H ballistics go for the 375 Ruger it is an awesomely capable round it just isn't a 375RUM...

Shucks...

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Of the 3 .375 rifles I know of here, (mine is the one in the middle) I wouldn't really care which one I had access to, they will all work on that guy in the background. Of the three, the H&H is the one I prefer not to use, only because that particular 602 has a muzzle brake, which just thinking about, increases the volume of ringing in my ears. Once when I had occasion to shoot that thing, I forgot about the brake and let fly without hearing protection. Muzzle bast if worse than recoil, just ask me, I won't hear you, but you can ask. Had I not still been smarting from the price I was forced to pay for .416 Rigby brass, the cartridge in the middle might well have been a .378 Weatherby, although the advantage in terminal performance would have been marginal in my short barreled rifle while the difference in the cost of brass was significant.
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Although the scale is not perfect, this provides a relative size comparison of my Brno 602 and a stock Ruger Alaskan.
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Heres a couple of occasions when the power of a .375 rifle was particularly comforting:
When bear guarding for a professional photographer near a whale carcass,
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Or while out for a stroll and a curious visitor emerges from a rock outcrop,
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Curious what the minimum distance you will allow the White beast to approach you before opening fire? My wife and kids really want to see polar bears one day. (when I say approach you I mean a hungry bear actively stalking and moving towards you).

I'm thinking I'd feel best with a Lott.
 
Yea ... Kinda the same as polymer and plastic. :p


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Some guns come in Blued Steel and Walnut. Is that wrong? If Gatehouse was a "thinking Man" he might agree. Plywood does not make a stock, and ruger just makes a second class rifle. If you want a nice Rifle in a great Caliber (9.3x62) Look for a nice Husqvarna 1600 or 1640. That has class. I don't see any class coming from the plywood ruger camp.
 
Plywood does not make a stock, and ruger just makes a second class rifle. If you want a nice Rifle in a great Caliber (9.3x62) Look for a nice Husqvarna 1600 or 1640. That has class. I don't see any class coming from the plywood ruger camp.
If the Ruger with a laminated stock is a second class rifle, what does that make a Remington with a plywood handle?


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Some guns come in Blued Steel and Walnut. Is that wrong? If Gatehouse was a "thinking Man" he might agree. Plywood does not make a stock, and ruger just makes a second class rifle. If you want a nice Rifle in a great Caliber (9.3x62) Look for a nice Husqvarna 1600 or 1640. That has class. I don't see any class coming from the plywood ruger camp.

How would you actually know what a good rifle is? Your criteria for quality checking is inly to move the bolt back and forth a few times?:confused:

I took one of your favorites, a Brno blued rifle on a coastal grizzly hunt. Even though prior to the hunt I treated it with rust preventative, every day I was removing rust from the rifle with an oily rag. In contrast, I own a stainless/synthetic Ruger that was stolen in July and left out all winter in the rain and snow until the next May when it was found- and after rinsing the mud off it, it was ready for action- no rust. If it was a Husqvarna it would have been covered in rust and the stock need refinishing at minimum.

Some of us are more concerned about reliability in hostile conditions than how pretty our tools look.

I realize that you don't hunt in rugged mountains or near salt water or in rain forests, but some of us do.
 
How would you actually know what a good rifle is? Your criteria for quality checking is inly to move the bolt back and forth a few times?:confused:

I took one of your favorites, a Brno blued rifle on a coastal grizzly hunt. Even though prior to the hunt I treated it with rust preventative, every day I was removing rust from the rifle with an oily rag. In contrast, I own a stainless/synthetic Ruger that was stolen in July and left out all winter in the rain and snow until the next May when it was found- and after rinsing the mud off it, it was ready for action- no rust. If it was a Husqvarna it would have been covered in rust and the stock need refinishing at minimum.

Some of us are more concerned about reliability in hostile conditions than how pretty our tools look.

I realize that you don't hunt in rugged mountains or near salt water or in rain forests, but some of us do.

Not sure what "Inly" means. But if you prep your Guns properly you shouldn't have a problem. Not sure about Plywood guns. There must be something that guards against glue and fiber leakage.
 
Not sure what "Inly" means. But if you prep your Guns properly you shouldn't have a problem. Not sure about Plywood guns. There must be something that guards against glue and fiber leakage.

Wood+Blued guns do not stand up to the elements even close to stainless synthetic. It does not take a whole hell of alot of moisture to warp wood and stainless is far superior to moisture than blued steel.......I've yet to see a "Weather Warrior" rifle in wood+blue.
 
Some of you must figure those poor bastards that carried all those lee enfields and K98's around 60 some years ago only came out to fight on sunny days , otherwise they'd be holding nothing but rust 10 minutes after the first rain drop fell.
Days are getting longer now, cabin fever will lift soon and before you know it spring bear will be open and we can stop splittin hairs and get back to being civil to one another.
 
Wood+Blued guns do not stand up to the elements even close to stainless synthetic. It does not take a whole hell of alot of moisture to warp wood and stainless is far superior to moisture than blued steel.......I've yet to see a "Weather Warrior" rifle in wood+blue.

So all the Shotguns and Rifles I have owned back to the 1890's with Blued Steel and Walnut should not stand up ? Oh my God I think a lot of you Guy's have succumbed to Advertising.. Telling you what is best. Give your head a shake. A well made Shotgun or Rifle of Blued Steel & Walnut Stands the test of time. It's like anything else you take care of it. Even Gatehouse knows that.
 
Some of you must figure those poor bastards that carried all those lee enfields and K98's around 60 some years ago only came out to fight on sunny days , otherwise they'd be holding nothing but rust 10 minutes after the first rain drop fell.
Days are getting longer now, cabin fever will lift soon and before you know it spring bear will be open and we can stop splittin hairs and get back to being civil to one another.

I don't think any of the soldiers were trying to keep thier "walnut" stocks looking pretty.:p
 
Some guys like to hunt only with "pretty" guns. And that's great for them.I own and hunt with a few "pretty" rifles, too. I won't talk down about their choices and call them "termite food and rust magnet" rifles. I am sure they work fine for their purposes.

Up until a couple of decades ago, hunters really didn't have much choice- It was wood and blue or nothing. Maybe parkerized military surplus rifles, too. IN many climates and conditions, this worked just fine as ling as the stock was sealed and the rifle was treated well. Wood stocks still broke and got chunks taken out of them and blueing wore off a hard used rifle though.

Now we have all sorts of high quality offerings in synthetic stocks and stainless rifles. These aren't as "pretty" but they are indeed tough. I won't tell someone to not take their pretty gun on a tough hunt, but you bet your ass I will laugh at them when they slip on some moss coming down a steep mountain and take a chunk out of their pretty stock, or when their rifle has an almost permanent rusty sheen on it from being near salt water for 3 weeks despite rust treatment and daily cleaning.:p
 
I don't think any of the soldiers were trying to keep thier "walnut" stocks looking pretty.:p

What is "thier" is that a new word? I try to follow you but you are no help. So would they have done better with Garrands with plywood Stocks?
 
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