Shoot farms in Alberta
- Thread starter sheephunter
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That would be awesome thanks
I've seen girls weighing barely more then a 100lbs take 75-95lb pigs with a knife. I'm a 150lbs know how to use a knife and have fast reflexs. I'd like to try it. If I get hurt well ill go home and lick my wounds. If I win I go home and bbq some wild boar.
Please make a video!!!
I agree that simulating a hunt with a tame animal is unethical and unsportsman like.
The only way it will work is if farmers have a very strict population capacity, are willing to restore their farm land to its natural state and cannot feed the elk.
I think if they have thousands of acres to allow the animals to live as they would in the wild, with a natural population, and no human interaction hunting is perfectly ethical.
The fact that there is a high fence is irrelevant if they live naturally. It would be no different than the exotic ranches in the states.
I think that although the bill is an obvious bail out for those farmers, it isn't totallly unreasonable. If it were done properly we could be getting more opportunities to hunt, more funds and awareness raised for the reintroduction of elk, better regs for game farmers hosting "hunts", the restoration of their farm land. This could do alot of good things for hunters and farmers.
After a few years of "hunting" these farms the populations will have decreased, the farmers will have some money back to adapt and they can choose to have a high fence hunting experience instead of an elk farm.
The only way it will work is if farmers have a very strict population capacity, are willing to restore their farm land to its natural state and cannot feed the elk.
I think if they have thousands of acres to allow the animals to live as they would in the wild, with a natural population, and no human interaction hunting is perfectly ethical.
The fact that there is a high fence is irrelevant if they live naturally. It would be no different than the exotic ranches in the states.
I think that although the bill is an obvious bail out for those farmers, it isn't totallly unreasonable. If it were done properly we could be getting more opportunities to hunt, more funds and awareness raised for the reintroduction of elk, better regs for game farmers hosting "hunts", the restoration of their farm land. This could do alot of good things for hunters and farmers.
After a few years of "hunting" these farms the populations will have decreased, the farmers will have some money back to adapt and they can choose to have a high fence hunting experience instead of an elk farm.
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Brutus
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In my meager research, anyone sucessful with a knife has the added distraction/help of a pack of dedicated hunting dogs, 99.9% of the time.
Makes for a considerable advantage IMHO. When they are riled up, those tusks are high speed scissors up close, seeking out human shin bones&flesh. To do so without courageous canine help, my money is on the dark & ugly pig.
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- Prince Albert, Sk
Pork chops or man chops????
50/50 chance on what will be on the table.
50/50 chance on what will be on the table.
I know a few outdoor girls that can handle themselves, but I must say a 100lb girl who kills a wild boar with a knife would scare the crap out of me....
Do you have any pictures of this?
bearkilr
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So it's the farmed elk that introduced TB and CWD ?
We have a problem with TB in wild elk and deer here in Manitoba. All the cattle farmers are #####ing that something needs to be done, in other words all elk/deer in that area should be eradicated. Take a wild guess how they contracted TB to begin with? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't from farmed elk/deer.
Elk are gregarious by nature, so the whole "herd in confined area" in regard to farming is pretty much a moot point. The same can be said for deer yarding up during winters of extreme snowfall, such as is this case in areas of AB, SK and MB this year.
My counter argument is that CWD has only been discovered due to farming cervids, but has been present in the wild populations all along. When was the last time someone picked up a decomposing elk carcass on the side of a mountain and hauled it in for an autopsy?
Not agreeing with shooting penned animals is fine, but blaming diseases on this practice is pretty short-sighted IMO.
So it's the farmed elk that introduced TB and CWD ?
We have a problem with TB in wild elk and deer here in Manitoba. All the cattle farmers are #####ing that something needs to be done, in other words all elk/deer in that area should be eradicated. Take a wild guess how they contracted TB to begin with? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't from farmed elk/deer.
Elk are gregarious by nature, so the whole "herd in confined area" in regard to farming is pretty much a moot point. The same can be said for deer yarding up during winters of extreme snowfall, such as is this case in areas of AB, SK and MB this year.
My counter argument is that CWD has only been discovered due to farming cervids, but has been present in the wild populations all along. When was the last time someone picked up a decomposing elk carcass on the side of a mountain and hauled it in for an autopsy?
Not agreeing with shooting penned animals is fine, but blaming diseases on this practice is pretty short-sighted IMO.
I am not sure as to the landscape surrounding disease and Game ranching in Manitoba.
I do know that wild game animals have been infected via farmed populations in Alberta. I also see the numbers of wild ungulates being culled in cwd programs on the Eastern edge of the Province.
But don't take my word for it - search for literature written by Val Geist, one of the most highly respected researchers of wild ungulates and see what his thoughts are on the subject.
"The first cases of CWD in Canada were traced to a Lloydminster-area farm that imported animals from South Dakota in the 1980s. How CWD is transmitted is not yet completely understood, though it is believed to occur if animals are in close proximity, likely through the saliva, feces or urine.
An outbreak of CWD in the 1990s devastated the herds and livelihoods of many producers. There is no way to confirm the presence of the disease until the brain can be examined. As a result, tens of thousands of animals have been killed to contain the spread of CWD. The vast majority have tested negative. "
Here is what we are dealing with in Sask. This is a page in our hunting regs that deals with CWD.
Guidelines for handling hunter-killed
deer and elk
Wear rubber or latex gloves.
Minimize contact with the brain, spinal
cord, internal organs and lymph nodes
that are the grey/green tissue next to
organs or in fat and membranes.
Avoid cutting through bones; you may wish
to consider boning out the meat.
Do not cut through the spinal column
except to remove the head; use a different
knife.
Clean all knives and other equipment with
a 50 per cent solution of household
bleach and water.
More info here.
http://www.environment.gov.sk.ca/adx/aspx/adxGetMedia.aspx?DocID=6556811e-477c-4a45-a2a8-6d10cacbbf44&MediaID=3430&Filename=2010+Hunters'+and+Trappers'+Guide.pdf&l=English
bearkilr
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How do you know that for certain? I can see how one would assume that, since CWD was first detected in the farmed animals, but since there is no way of testing for it on live animals, samples from wild populations would not have been tested until after it had been discovered in farmed animals.
Yes, some consider Val Geist a highly respected researcher............and some don't. I've read a few of his books and don't necessarily agree with everything he says. After all, his opinion is just that, an opinion.
bearkilr
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My point exactly.
As for CWD precautions, perhaps in the future they'll have vaccines like for H1N1, then we can all die healthy.
bearkilr
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- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
I'm not sure how many game farms, perhaps 20 or so. No cases of CWD so far and we have a mandatory head submission on wild deer and elk killed in areas that border onto SK.
FWIW, Quebec has quite a pile of game farms as they're the only province other than SK that allows shoot farms and they have no CWD cases to date that I'm aware of.
While my opinion on hunt farms doesn`t matter, i would like to know how many of the guys that are so against it make a living from a farm of any kind. Its real easy to criticize someones lively hood as long as you live an easy life in the city. It isn`t all hunting and fishing everyday for guys making a living on the land.
