XCR Opinions

All the fanboys need to calm the f**k down. No one is lying through their teeth about the rifle, it does have its shortcomings. They aren't being "haters", they are posting a counter-argument to what was supposed to be a rational discussion. Most of the shortcomings can be fixed with preventative maintainence, such as a proper once-over of the new rifle and a proper break in procedure and adequate lubrication/threadlocker application. Others are design flaws caused by cost cutting methods and production shortcuts, or just Alex's lack of ability to accept constructive criticism.

However, you cannot claim that it is a hard-use rifle, good to go out of the box 100%, and discredit other peoples problems with the rifle by saying that they're "lying and spreading bulls**t" about the issues they've had, because your sample size of one rifle didnt have the same issue. Face it, RobArms' QC and CS are less than stellar, and since Tara left I doubt its gotten better. The fact that many people are having the same/similar problems cannot be ignored. The rifle does have small parts and fastener issues. If you haven't had any whatsoever, you probably haven't shot your rifle to a significant round count where the problems begin to appear. In my case, 3 rounds was all it took for the bolt to self-disassemble. Is that indicative of all XCR's? No, maybe mine was a lemon. Maybe you got a great rifle, one that wasnt assembled by a woman. But when multiple people start having the same problem, then it becomes a larger issue. This sentiment is not just echoed on CGN, but also on other forums.

Does that make the rifle a peice of s**t? No, its a fine rifle for what it is, a general use plinking/hunting rifle. It has good ergonomics and its a great shooter despite being slightly front heavy from the HBAR. It also requires preventative maintainence, more so than other rifles, due to the amount of small fasteners that are used. It is not the hard use combat ready rifle they market it as, and that needs to be known.

The fact that you can buy the rifle for under $2000 on the EE makes it an attractive option now, but at $2400+ you might as well get a Classic Green for your troubles. The XCR is no where near the same level as a SAN or the SCAR, if that rifle ever makes its way into Canada in any significant quantity. I would place it slightly above a Bushmaster or Rock River AR15 on the quality scale.
 
I love my XCR. I also love my AR. Hopefully one day I will one day also love my Swiss Arms, as well as my SCAR and my ACR. These rifles might not give everybody movement in the pants; but for me they all do.

The fact of the matter here boys is that opinions are just that - opinions. They are like #######s; we all have 'em but most of the time people don't want to hear from others'.
 
claven, your such an expert on ansi specs, so lets hear your testing results on the xcr's fasteners. If your so well educated on the subject how come you had loose fasteners and I dont/havent? As I said there are exceptions but you wont find these situations here. This sounds like a case of the master mechanic losing his wheel. Time to put away the text book and turn on the brain.

In all honesty, I haven't gauged the holes in an XCR at all. I don't even own one, but a good friend does and I've shot it regularly.

I DID snug up the bolt catch and selector bolts after they started walking out. I used a proper driver and I know how to tighten a bloody bolt. They walked loose again in about 100 rounds.

I install a LOT of fasteners in high-tolerance situations and I can tell you that on this particular rifle on this particular day, the fasteners were lucky if they would have met a sloppy 1B gauge. They had all kinds of wobble when screwing in. Scary bad for a gun that expensive.

My comments about gauging are general in nature - hole tolerance DOES have a HUGE effect on whether a fastener will come loose. And out of spec fastener to hole relationships are NOt the fault of the installer.

I would point out that these issues would be easily fixable with loctite or a parts swap. The design is sound. But these QA/QC issues turned me off pretty quickly.
 
Having never owned an XCR, I'll just reiterate: "...it would seem the XCR requires a lot more maintenance". I'm certainly not going to apologize for the fact that I have limited range time and, as a result, zero tolerance for anything that's finicky, time-consuming or generally prone to breakdowns.



In fairness, I at least acknowledged that I've held one - and that the fit and finish was better than I expected. While this isn't necessarily a ringing endorsement - it's not a condemnation, either.



I'll let you know if/when something like that happens.



Simply acknowledging that the XCR has some shortcomings instead of endlessly defending any/all manner of design flaws and constantly accusing people of being "haters" may actually gain you a few converts. Incidentally, there are a lot of black rifles I also don't own; the XCR just happens to be one of them.

Not much maintenance , really. Just tighten up the bolts with some loctite the first time and your gtg. The older ones had more issues, my runs great now after the break in. No parts flying off, nothing loose again. Just buy one, cause your AR cant be used in the bush. :)

Now if they made the AR, ACR or SCAR in NR I would jump on them like a fat kid on smarties..lol
 
Not much maintenance, really. Just tighten up the bolts with some loctite the first time and your gtg. The older ones had more issues, my runs great now after the break in. No parts flying off, nothing loose again. Just buy one, cause your AR cant be used in the bush. :)

Now if they made the AR, ACR or SCAR in NR I would jump on them like a fat kid on smarties..lol

Truth be told I am somewhat predisposed to shorter barrels on my ARs (so I'm essentially restricted, regardless), and rarely 'in the bush' enough to justify another non-restricted black rifle; I already have two very nice non-restricteds in 5.56 that are sub-8.5lbs (with optics). Both being incredibly compact and zero maintenance, I'd have a hard time justifying another expenditure for a longer, heavier and more impractical rifle - which would probably see minimal use.

As for the ACR, this will be the rifle to contend with. Non-restricted (fingers crossed), fully-ambidextrous with a folding stock and extended polymer hand guard; add an 18.6" stainless steel 1:8 twist match barrel and you'll be looking at under 9lbs with optics. The thing is going to be a tack driver! Yes, it will run about a grand more - but it will be worth every penny.
 
Truth be told I am somewhat predisposed to shorter barrels on my ARs (so I'm essentially restricted, regardless), and rarely 'in the bush' enough to justify another non-restricted black rifle; I already have two very nice non-restricteds in 5.56 that are sub-8.5lbs (with optics). Both being incredibly compact and zero maintenance, I'd have a hard time justifying another expenditure for a longer, heavier and more impractical rifle - which would probably see minimal use.

As for the ACR, this will be the rifle to contend with. Non-restricted (fingers crossed), fully-ambidextrous with a folding stock and extended polymer hand guard; add an 18.6" stainless steel 1:8 twist match barrel and you'll be looking at under 9lbs with optics. The thing is going to be a tack driver! Yes, it will run about a grand more - but it will be worth every penny.

Oh man I am getting excited..lol. ACR NR fvck yeah....I will take 10 please.:)
 
I'll try and explain why my answer is NO and remember I hunt with my rifles more than I punch holes at a range/target... :)

I have shot so many coyotes over the years with 223/22-250/243/6mm-284/280 Rem/30-06/308 Norma mag etc etc so have experience in what I want when a bullet hits a coyote.

Basically I want a round that will dump them instantly (yes I mean when I do my part) a 223 is great at this for me out to 150 yards beyond that the coyotes run off way further before piling up than I like and if there is no snow and they make it into the bush well you know what I mean.

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I'll try and explain why my answer is NO and remember I hunt with my rifles more than I punch holes at a range/target... :)

I'll just add the caveat that I was trying to have fun at your expense, naturally. ;)

I have shot so many coyotes over the years with 223/22-250/243/6mm-284/280 Rem/30-06/308 Norma mag etc etc so have experience in what I want when a bullet hits a coyote.

Basically I want a round that will dump them instantly (yes I mean when I do my part) a 223 is great at this for me out to 150 yards beyond that the coyotes run off way further before piling up than I like and if there is no snow and they make it into the bush well you know what I mean.

When you absolutely, positively have to leave no trace... go for the Vulcan (50-cal on the left).

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Naaa once again I don't need that I have a 375RUM...

"...One should note that such performance comes at the price of a heavy recoil: in a sporting-weight rifle of ~8 lb (3.6 kg), this cartridge can produce a fierce 80 ft·lbf (108 J) of recoil (approximately 3.5 times that of a .30-06.) This is well beyond the limits of most shooters."

Back to the ACR... apparently it will be available in 6.8SPC and 7.62x39mm (probably around the time it's finally approved in Canada. ;) )
 
I'm just saying there's too much bs hysteria going around still regarding poor QC. It's been a long time since anyone posted in CGN a problem regarding any newer xcr's and sales sure haven't stopped. It's a case of the past haunting the present and haters don't help. While I understand that some have had bad experiences that left a bad taste, you don't need to keep going on and on about it. QC, and fitment have improved. 5 minutes and a tube of thread locker and you have a solid reliable rifle.

It's just funny how people forget the issues common in the AR platform. What happens if you don't stake the bolts on your gas key? How common is carrier tilt? There are mountains of aftermarket parts and modifications to help "tune" problem AR's. One piece bolt carriers, welded bolt carriers, light weight carriers, heavy carriers, gas tubes of various volumes, buffer springs, weighted buffers, various ejector springs and spacers, piston conversions and on and on.

At least the xcr is one model from one manufacturer holding it's own in an ocean of ar models/manufacturers. That's a pretty good accomplishment, epecially when it hasn't taken rob arms 50 years to get the xcr to this level.

Also as a note, you'll see someone asking for help with an AR that's going full auto on it's own, strange you don't see that thread being attacked by xcr owners.
 
It's just funny how people forget the issues common in the AR platform. What happens if you don't stake the bolts on your gas key? How common is carrier tilt? There are mountains of aftermarket parts and modifications to help "tune" problem AR's. One piece bolt carriers, welded bolt carriers, light weight carriers, heavy carriers, gas tubes of various volumes, buffer springs, weighted buffers, various ejector springs and spacers, piston conversions and on and on.

Come on... since when is staking with a brand AR a problem? And carrier tilt is almost exclusively limited to piston AR conversions. And yes, there are a ton of aftermarket parts to enhance your AR; the point being you can modify your AR to your heart's content to suit your shooting style, etc. But the vast majority shoot fine out-of-the-box without any modification whatsoever.

At least the xcr is one model from one manufacturer holding it's own in an ocean of ar models/manufacturers. That's a pretty good accomplishment, epecially when it hasn't taken rob arms 50 years to get the xcr to this level.

Time will tell, but I think the next generation platforms (ACR, SCAR, ARX-160) have already eclipsed everything on the market (including other ARs).

Also as a note, you'll see someone asking for help with an AR that's going full auto on it's own, strange you don't see that thread being attacked by xcr owners.

Envy? ;)
 
Envy. Lol. While I see your smiley face and realize I could have 2 AR's or one really fancy one for the price of my xcr, however I despise being limited to range use. I'm not raking a cheap shot at the AR because of this restriction, it's a complete joke and who ever wrote them into the resrticted book must be the laughing stock of the logical thinkers group.

After 1300 rounds my xcr still has had exactly 0 feed/ejection issues that were not my fault. Nor has a single fastener loosened. Nor has is ever once been to a range, it has been aimed at exactly 2 paper targets. Many of those rounds have been fired very rapidly to say the least.
 
Envy. Lol. While I see your smiley face and realize I could have 2 AR's or one really fancy one for the price of my xcr, however I despise being limited to range use. I'm not raking a cheap shot at the AR because of this restriction, it's a complete joke and who ever wrote them into the resrticted book must be the laughing stock of the logical thinkers group.

That's fair enough. Spite works, too. :) After all, I do have a non-restricted (non-AR) for this very reason. Look at the plus side: the AR was originally prohibited. And it's a good thing the XCR wasn't present at the time - otherwise it may well have had the banhammer applied to it as well.

Would you still love your XCR if it wasn't non-restricted...? Given a choice of the Benelli MR1, RobArms XCR or HK SL8 - is the XCR perhaps as popular as it is because you can't really accessorize the MR1 and the SL8 is expensive to "G36" and AR-mag well?
 
Also as a note, you'll see someone asking for help with an AR that's going full auto on it's own, strange you don't see that thread being attacked by xcr owners.

No, but if we did, there would still be at least one numpty going on about how uncontrolled full-auto is a feature and not a failure. :rolleyes:
 
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