Moose shot at 1100 yards

KodiakHntr said:
At what point exactly, are we "respecting" an animal when we drive a projectile at high speed into its body and rip its life out?
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the point where the projectile hits a vital spot and the animal dies quickly. No hunter lobs shots at a animal a half mile away. Anyone with the skill and rifle to do that would be the first to tell you so.
If he is some kind of hot shot sniper, then practice on targets or join the army.
 
Ardent said:
Problem is he marginalized every advantage a hunter seeks with that shot:

-Shot placement: There's no way he'd tell you in honesty that shot was going in the vitals and nowhere else, and he didn't make it, he spined it.

-Caliber: Whatever caliber he was shooting, by 1100 yards it's beyond marginal for moose.

Given the size of a moose, he likely hit a couple feet from what 95% seek in shot placement, giving him say a four foot radius of possible shot placement on pulling the trigger, two feet either side the vitals.

I know both you and I extoll the virtues of using enough gun, and shot placement, in other threads and this guy took advantage of neither of those factors, by choice. He also failed in the eyes of everyone but a sustenance hunter who only cares if an animal goes down and not how. We don't need to blindly avoid speaking ill of other hunters in a whipped vote type motion, when something stinks it's alright to point it out. This guy took a shot he couldn't tell you he'd make, spined an animal more than a kilometer away, and posted it online as a triumph. That's bound to attract criticism as poor decision making, and reasonably so.
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I don't know what cartridge was used for that shot, but if it was me I'd be looking hard at a big case .338 like the Lapua or the .338-378 either of which produces a muzzle velocity of 2700 with a 300 gr bullet. At 1100 yards that bullet is still fast enough to produce an acceptable degree of upset and penetration, about 1700 fps, providing he chose a bullet that was sufficiently slippery. There is a big difference between shooting groups at a known distance and hitting a live target at an estimated distance, so while he might well shoot half minute groups at the range, in the field with an estimated range and no wind flags it could easily open up to MOA or even 2 MOA away from his corrected sight adjustment. But if he could guarantee that his shot would land within 2 MOA, that means the bullet impacts no more than 11" from his intended point of impact, I would say he had a reasonable chance of success. I've seen people do worse under more favorable conditions, but again this is not the type of hunting I would participate in.
 
old hound said:
the point where the projectile hits a vital spot and the animal dies quickly. No hunter lobs shots at a animal a half mile away. Anyone with the skill and rifle to do that would be the first to tell you so.
If he is some kind of hot shot sniper, then practice on targets or join the army.
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here's a website you should maybe look at , short range hunters are not the only type of hunters out there.

http://www.longrangehunting.com/
There is a threads started here about shooting coyotes with a 22LR, and there are some interesting comments on it.
many seem to have no problem with that, but many have a problem with shooting a moose at 1100 ?
Cat
 
old hound said:
the point where the projectile hits a vital spot and the animal dies quickly. No hunter lobs shots at a animal a half mile away. Anyone with the skill and rifle to do that would be the first to tell you so.
If he is some kind of hot shot sniper, then practice on targets or join the army.
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If you figure he was "lobbing" a shot at a half mile, that simply shows your ignorance in this type of thing. Nothing wrong with that, but educate yourself on what equipment and knowledge is readily available to anyone who chooses to look for it.

Contrary to popular belief here, shooting 1000+ yards is not the voodoo witch magic slob shooting that so many want to believe because they haven't tried it, and haven't put in the time.

But if you want to condemn someone because you haven't chosen to educate yourself on what it takes, or put in the time to learn some basic rifle skills, then by all means, condemn away.
 
Boomer said:
I don't know what cartridge was used for that shot, but if it was me I'd be looking hard at a big case .338 like the Lapua or the .338-378 either of which produces a muzzle velocity of 2700 with a 300 gr bullet. At 1100 yards that bullet is still fast enough to produce an acceptable degree of upset and penetration, about 1700 fps, providing he chose a bullet that was sufficiently slippery. There is a big difference between shooting groups at a known distance and hitting a live target at an estimated distance, so while he might well shoot half minute groups at the range, in the field with an estimated range and no wind flags it could easily open up to MOA or even 2 MOA away from his corrected sight adjustment. But if he could guarantee that his shot would land within 2 MOA, that means the bullet impacts no more than 11" from his intended point of impact, I would say he had a reasonable chance of success. I've seen people do worse under more favorable conditions, but again this is not the type of hunting I would participate in.
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IIRC its a McMillan rifle, 300wm using 180gr Nosler BallisticTips.

And after running a couple of charts, its unlikely he was "guessing" at the distance, given the fact that with a +2 zero at 100 yards, the arc is around 10"+ per 10 yard increment.

And you are exactly right in the point about seeing guys do a lot worse, under better conditions. If we are going to say he shouldn't of taken the shot because its too far, we need to implement a shooting test yearly then, and you should only be allowed to shoot as far as you can hold a 6" group under field conditions, with field rests. Take a shot farther than you have qualified, then lose your licence for a year or two.

I'm guessing there would be a lot less hunters in the woods, but the guys that would be missing, wouldn't be guys like Trev.
 
KodiakHntr said:
If you figure he was "lobbing" a shot at a half mile, that simply shows your ignorance in this type of thing. Nothing wrong with that, but educate yourself on what equipment and knowledge is readily available to anyone who chooses to look for it.

Contrary to popular belief here, shooting 1000+ yards is not the voodoo witch magic slob shooting that so many want to believe because they haven't tried it, and haven't put in the time.

But if you want to condemn someone because you haven't chosen to educate yourself on what it takes, or put in the time to learn some basic rifle skills, then by all means, condemn away.
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basic rifle skills you say. I know there are men and rifles that can hit a target under ideal conditions at extreme distances. There is generally a breeze around a body of water and that guy shot across a lake by the looks of it. He could have just as easy missed the animal altogether or wounded it.
I think most hunters would pass on that shot and try to get closer.
 
Some of you guys should read the shooters comments:


Spine shot, I misjudged the distance by 25 yards so the bullet impacted higher than I would have liked. I learned a lot about ranging, I had to range the river bank (the rangefinder wouldn't pick up the moose) and then try to decipher the distance of the moose in relation to the bank. There was zero wind, so the bullet landed right where it should have when you take into account the ranging error....Trev


FUll video and comments here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWAXQUCv8qo
 
Gatehouse said:
Some of you guys should read the shooters comments:


Spine shot, I misjudged the distance by 25 yards so the bullet impacted higher than I would have liked. I learned a lot about ranging, I had to range the river bank (the rangefinder wouldn't pick up the moose) and then try to decipher the distance of the moose in relation to the bank. There was zero wind, so the bullet landed right where it should have when you take into account the ranging error....Trev


FUll video and comments here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWAXQUCv8qo
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25 yards does not mean anything at that distance. He learned a lot about ranging is good. I hope he learned that shooting at animals over a kilometer away is not good.
 
Gatehouse said:
Some of you guys should read the shooters comments:


Spine shot, I misjudged the distance by 25 yards so the bullet impacted higher than I would have liked. I learned a lot about ranging, I had to range the river bank (the rangefinder wouldn't pick up the moose) and then try to decipher the distance of the moose in relation to the bank. There was zero wind, so the bullet landed right where it should have when you take into account the ranging error....Trev


FUll video and comments here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWAXQUCv8qo
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Fair enough. Got tired of sifting through all the guys running him down last week on his youtube page, so didn't read them all.

I stand corrected.
 
old hound said:
25 yards does not mean anything at that distance. He learned a lot about ranging is good. I hope he learned that shooting at animals over a kilometer away is not good.
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Clearly you shouldn't be shooting at animals past 150 yards if you think 25 yards means nothing at that range! :)

At 1100 yards the bullet POI is about 12-20" higher than at 1125. So if he adjusted his scope for 1125 and the bull was 1100, then the bullet would impact in the spine/hump area instead of the lungs.

Which apparently it did, according to the shooter.

I've heard many old time moose hunters talk about "dropping moose in their tracks" by shooting them in the hump area. Just like what happened to that moose.

The shooter indicates there was no wind and looking at the river it doesn't look as if there is any wind disturbing the water.

So, from reading the shooters comments, looking at a ballistic table, looking at the undisturbed water on the river and watching the reaction of the moose, I'd say:

He hit the moose higher than he hoped for, but still in line with the moose vitals.

The moose was dropped by a similar shot many moose hunters use t closer range, but we don't complain about that.

That was no lucky shot.
 
KodiakHntr said:
Fair enough. Got tired of sifting through all the guys running him down last week on his youtube page, so didn't read them all.

I stand corrected.
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I don't think you were all that wrong, at least you weren't claiming that it was a high ass shot.

I like his responses to the haters on the youtube page. Good attitude.
 
old hound said:
25 yards does not mean anything at that distance.
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Sorry, but you are not even close to understanding bullet trajectories, especially at long range.

A 25 yd error in range estimation at 1100 yd would mean at least one foot, and possibly as much as twenty inches, difference in trajectory, depending on velocity.

Ted
 
Redfrog said:
Yep he was just lucky. :jerkit:

Thing is the better you get the luckier you are.:D
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Yep....Funny how that works.

Had that conversation with a guy here in my office, about what possible purpose there could be for shooting out to 1500+ yards with a hunting rifle....Had to show him how easy it gets up close, when you actually spend some time shooting. Don't really expect the armchair enthusiasts to understand it though, when a box of 20 shells will last them a few years.
 
KodiakHntr said:
Yep....Funny how that works.

Had that conversation with a guy here in my office, about what possible purpose there could be for shooting out to 1500+ yards with a hunting rifle....Had to show him how easy it gets up close, when you actually spend some time shooting. Don't really expect the armchair enthusiasts to understand it though, when a box of 20 shells will last them a few years.
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Wow, that's not an arrogant statement at all. :rolleyes:

It's hard to be humble, isn't it.
 
bearkilr said:
Wow, that's not an arrogant statement at all. :rolleyes:

It's hard to be humble, isn't it.
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KodiakHntr said:
Yep....Funny how that works.

Had that conversation with a guy here in my office, about what possible purpose there could be for shooting out to 1500+ yards with a hunting rifle....Had to show him how easy it gets up close, when you actually spend some time shooting. Don't really expect the armchair enthusiasts to understand it though, when a box of 20 shells will last them a few years.
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Arrogant? Not at all....The one thing that is a constant in anything you do, is that the more you practice and challenge yourself, the better you get.....Although I'm not going to be surprised if some don't get that.....

Out of curiousity, you find that statement arrogant, how many centerfire rounds do you fire in a month? Rimfire? And is it always exactly the same scenario? A guy could shoot a million rounds a month, but if all he's doing is punching holes in the 100 yard board from sandbags, he's not going to learn as much as if he challenged himself each time he was out.
 
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It is true, the more you shoot the betteryou get, and the more the wife says you spent how much shooting this year :)

and just because you can do it at the range doesn't mean it should be done on live criteers.
 
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