Level 2 IPSC Match Stage Approval

stormbringer said:
I think that it is a waste of time, space and energy that could best be utilized in other worthwhile pursuits.


I agree with 7.62. If particular clubs are problematic then deal with them as clubs and nto make every club jump through hoops.

The IPSC rules are QUITE clear that it is optional. When things are Optional I always opt fo the option that is the least intrusive.
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VF always has time and energy for all Ontario clubs and members.:wave:
 
SVISTI1911 said:
Nobody is forcing you, you can always pass it off to someone else. That is the great thing, nobody can force you to volunteer your time......d:h:
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Actually nobody is forcing me to be MD for Level II matches.

I can always hold 6 stage 100 round Level I matches for $25 bucks and be happy as a clam.

Is that your desired result? Because that IS the logical solution for the situation.
 
stormbringer said:
Actually nobody is forcing me to be MD for Level II matches.

I can always hold 6 stage 100 round Level I matches for $25 bucks and be happy as a clam.

Is that your desired result?
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Your right you can, all the power to you I wish you great success and that would solve the sanctioning waste of time wouldn't it?

I have no desired result, just having a discussion. Frankly I don't think it matters to most shooters what you (or anyone else) does, they just want shoot good stages and have fun. I don't think they care that much about the politics of it.

What happens at your club is your decision since you are the rep and the prez, you should know what your membership wants better then I. Man you guys down there just seem so touchy. Why does everything get taken so personally?
 
I am not taking it personal at all.

It is the logical solution................I disagree with the Sanction Process for Level II matches.

That does not seem likely to change

However there is nothing FORCING me to hold level II matches.

Ergo.............I can host what ever I want.

I just did not see the easy solution that makes everyone happy till now.

Easy as pie.

We can still host matches.............as large as we want and everyone is happy
 
Match approval

What I have come to notice over the years is that no matter who designs stages on paper they are only truly really checked out, as safe, or no RO traps, shoot throughs, etc untill they are constructed. Paper 1 dimentional cannot be used as the only way to sanction matches. Yes, it does help with walkthroughs & stage procedure being correct,But thats all.

supermag
 
stormbringer said:
I am not taking it personal at all.

It is the logical solution................I disagree with the Sanction Process for Level II matches.

That does not seem likely to change

However there is nothing FORCING me to hold level II matches.

Ergo.............I can host what ever I want.

I just did not see the easy solution that makes everyone happy till now.

Easy as pie.

We can still host matches.............as large as we want and everyone is happy
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Except the RO's who only get one point when they earned two.....
 
Sanctionning Process

While the rules leave it up to the Regional Directorate to have a sanctionning process or not for Lvl I or II matches, Ontario has decided on a process so it is not optional. Only having large Lvl I matches not only takes point away from the officials it also reduces the mission fees paid to IPSC Ontario which are used to support the sport. It also gives the impression you and your club do not want to follow the rules of your governing association but still want to be recognised as IPSC shooters/Members.

What happens when a match is deemed not compliant in arrears? What time is wasted by seeking sanctionning? I presume you do drawings electronically anyway prior to the match so as to keep a record of the stages used. Sending an E-mail and waiting for a reply cannot be that much more difficult or time consuming? I am assuming you do other things as you wait for a response, I know I do.

For IPSC writ large credibility is important and essentiel for recognition as a serious international competitive sporting organisation within the sporting community and for us within the shooting community. All the venues at the Vancouver Olympics were approved by the applicable sporting body and VANOC did not just go its own way. I suspect it is the same for smaller sporting events in all the sports with governing bodies throughout Ontario, the other provinces and Canada.

If you want to shoot IPSC in Ontario and be recognized for doing so there are a number of processes, not all of them to my liking, but which I have mastered, as I think I waste less time in the long run and have more fun with my shooting friends.
 
The differnce is of course that when I disagree with something ANYTHING......I fight that thing. I do not want to be policed. I do not need to be policed. I do not LIKE to be policed.

I do not think that the sanctioning for Level IIs is required UNLESS a club has been proven to be hosting matches that do not comply. End of story Full stop.

Meanwhile here I sit waiting for my results for the L2 shotgun match proposed stages. With myself and the only other 3 Canadians who have ever even shot a Level IV shotgun match. Where on earth is the logic in that? (which I guess is where this is reallhy coming from in part).

Nothing against VF but Craig has LIGHT YEARS more experience in IPSC SG as does most of the EESA IPSC crew.
 
Our provincial exec (Manitoba) approves all Match Directors, but stages are rarely submitted for inspection. We only have a few clubs holding matches so it's not as big a deal.
 
What does the Rule Book state on this and other house rules? The answer should be fairly clear.
 
just to follow up,

3.3. Local, Regional and National Rules
3.3.1. IPSC matches are governed by the rules applicable to the discipline. Host
organizations may not enforce local rules except to comply with
legislation or legal precedent in the applicable jurisdiction. Any
voluntarily adopted rules that are not in compliance with these rules must
not be applied to IPSC matches without the express consent of the
Regional Directorate and the IPSC Executive Council.
 
raks said:
Our provincial exec (Manitoba) approves all Match Directors, but stages are rarely submitted for inspection. We only have a few clubs holding matches so it's not as big a deal.
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You know that actually makes some sense..............A MD course.

HOW to design stages, how to run a match............that I would be behind so people do not have to flounder in the dark.
 
Point 14 of Appendix A (the section you actually should have read) :cool:

Note that international sanctioning of Level I and Level II matches is not required. However each Regional Directorate is entitled to establish their own criteria and procedures for sanctioning of Level I and Level II matches held within their own Region.


Slavex said:
just to follow up,

3.3. Local, Regional and National Rules
3.3.1. IPSC matches are governed by the rules applicable to the discipline. Host
organizations may not enforce local rules except to comply with
legislation or legal precedent in the applicable jurisdiction. Any
voluntarily adopted rules that are not in compliance with these rules must
not be applied to IPSC matches without the express consent of the
Regional Directorate and the IPSC Executive Council.
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