Shorty Stevens 300F and 305F Scope Mounting and Accuracy Review UPDATED

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Finally had a chance to get to the range with some glass mounted on the 300F short barrel Stevens in .22 today. I just wanted to let folks know how they shoot, and some of the issues you may encounter when mounting a scope.

Unfortunately, the rifles don`t come with Savage supplied bases, so you have to get your own. Acceptable Weaver bases are as follows:

Weaver 12, height 0.155 for diameter 0.925
Weaver 24, height 0.271 for diameter 0.900
Weaver 68, height 0.399 for diameter 0.916

With the Stevens receiver diameter at 0.920, I opted for the thicker Weaver 68 bases. When mounted, although thick, you still have a sighting picture over the bases to see the front and rear sights. One problem though, is the screws that come with the bases are too long, and interfere by protruding into the bolt way in the receiver, and not allowing the front base to tighten properly on the front of the receiver (they are blocked by the barrel). Another forum suggested using a dremel tool to reduce the length of the screws. I had never done it before but with some patience I was able to use the Dremel with the flat face of the cut off wheel to trim the length of the screws from 0.348 total length to 0.330 total length which worked well for bolt clearance on the rear, and proper tightening depth on the front.

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Now on to rings. I`ve had good luck with the steel Burris Zee rings and opted for a set of medium height rings to allow for clearance of the rear sight. I was going to use a 3-9x Leupold with a 40mm diameter bell but didn`t want to have the scope too high for a proper cheek weld. Problem two was that I had forgotten that if I removed the rear sight elevator, I could have gotten away with a set of Burris low rings instead. The pic below shows about a one quarter inch gap between the front bell and the rear sight with the elevator removed.

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For those of you who have had issues with bolt handle clearance on the CZ and Norinco copies, and have had to use high or extra high rings, it is not necessary on the Stevens and you can pick something more suitable (and comfortable) for shooting. This pic shows the healthy clearance available.

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Well, on to the range with my 300F - set up at 50 yards I was pleasantly suprised with the results. Although battling a gritty, creepy trigger with about a 6 pound pull, I was able to produce these groups with inexpensive ammo:

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Average groups were in the one and a quarter to one and a half inch range, however the Winchester 333 hp ammo went five eighths inch for it`s best, followed by the Win Wildcat and Fed 525 at one inch. The Win 37 grain hp regular box ammo went 1 and 1 eighth inch best for the day. I think with a better trigger and some playing with the bedding this rifle could shoot even better. The hang tag states from the manufacture that the accuracy should be acceptable at a 25 yard range and the rifle was designed for ``trapper`` work. Hopefully you won`t be put off by that tag and do purchase one of these fine rifles. They certainly hold their own in the accuracy department while wearing a sporter weight barrel.

My 300F and 305F were purchased at Gagnon Sports near me in Oshawa. The fellows were nice enough to order some in, as well as offer me my pick of the litter to choose from. They even sent me home with an assortment of screws to get the base screw length issues sorted out.

The .22 performed flawlessly for firing, feeding and ejection during the range test. Even got some looks from some folks on the firing line. There were no hiccups feeding hollow point ammo whatsoever.

Now, I`ll flip the scope and rings onto the 305F in .22WMR for next week - should have a range report for you then.

Back from shooting this week, the 305F checked out well, with groups as good or better than the 300F above. The CCI 40 grain JHP were preferred over the Winchester JHP and FMJ ammunition as the groups show here. These are at 50 yards with the same Leupold 3-9x mounted in medium Burris steel rings. With number 12 Weaver bases, this worked very well for clearance with the 40mm objective.

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Feeding was good for the most part, but as mentioned with other posters, once in a while when a mag was inserted, it took a wiggle or two to seat the mag in the mag well properly. Aparently a bend of the mag tab forward will fix the issue.

As for today, I went to check out some other rifles and decided I would buy another Savage mark 2 G to switch the stock for my synthetic off of the 300F. With ordering one from the States and getting the trigger guard and screws for it, I though this would be easier. In the middle of the swap, I noticed that there were no differences in the two receivers and the accutrigger was interchangable with the Stevens 300F. So, below there is a pic of my new assembly, 300F in a Savage mark 2G stock with accutrigger. This should be easier to glass bed the action and wring out some more accuracy from the package. I`ve posted the donor Savage on the EE - it`s new in the box except the trigger and synthetic stock off of the Stevens.

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50 yard accuracy 305F 22WMT

Sorry, got the the range last Wednesday but haven`t had a chance to post pics etc. For the 305F accuracy was great with CCI 40 grain hp WMR but the Win. HP didn`t fare as well. Respectable groups with the Winchester were from 1 and one quarter to one and one half inch. I had a 3 shot group with the CCI at one half inch, and a five shot group with the CCI at five eighths inch. I was impressed with the accuracy but the trigger was even worse than the 300F I shot previously. I`ve done the triggers on both with shims since and some polishing work and they are both respectable. I`ll try for some pics soon. I still think these are great accurate, short and handy little carbines.
 
I got weaver # 16 bases. They fit perfectly, but gun store I deal with actually didn't put the screws in the bag.

I didn't realize until I went to mount scope on this long weekend... but they were closed, so no shooting it scoped for me until next week.

I'm happy with mine, and agree I think these are handy little guns.
 
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got the screws these are #16 weaver bases and med burris rings, the scope is a older 3x9 bushnell that I got off another gun I bought last week. good enough for this.

got it together last night today it's F'n snowing so no target shooting! sighting in ARGH......

EDIT > BTW I like the stock and trigger on yours mine is going to ride in the quad box so the synthetic stock will do.
 
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As for today, I went to check out some other rifles and decided I would buy another Savage mark 2 G to switch the stock for my synthetic off of the 300F. With ordering one from the States and getting the trigger guard and screws for it, I though this would be easier. In the middle of the swap, I noticed that there were no differences in the two receivers and the accutrigger was interchangable with the Stevens 300F. So, below there is a pic of my new assembly, 300F in a Savage mark 2G stock with accutrigger. This should be easier to glass bed the action and wring out some more accuracy from the package. I`ve posted the donor Savage on the EE - it`s new in the box except the trigger and synthetic stock off of the Stevens.

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Dude, that is sweet! I love the look of the wood stock!

I do still like it better without the scope though. Aside from using the scope to determine which ammo it likes, I'm pretty sure mine will be an "irons only".

Nice to hear the the .22WMR did so well. I was going to get the 305 but figured that this will probably be more of a plinker and hiker than a dedicated hunter so I went with the .22LR. That must be quite loud with the 13" barrel!

Can you give us an idea of how loud the 300 is compared to an 18" barrelled rifle and then again with the 305? I guess what I'm asking is, are my ears going to ring if I crack a shot off at a grouse without ear pro?

Thanks!
 
Well, my 300F finally arrived. I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised at the overall quality. It's not a $1000 gun by any means but compared to other "economy" rifles, I feel it comes across quite well. I got mine brand new for $250 (+tax and shipping of course) from Cedar Valley Hunting Supply. (CGN username is "smacdonald" if I remember correctly)

The rifle isn't as small as it seems in the pictures but it is quite compact. I took it out for a little stroll through the woods and definitely noticed that it goes through the thick stuff much more easily than a "full length" rifle. I did notice that it was quite easy to sweep myself due to it's shortness though, so one should keep that in mind.

Even with its rather short sight radius, this rifle is accurate. I ran a bunch of Winchester bulk pack ammo (555 count box) through it and pulled off some rather impressive shots at 100+ yards. I was in a sand pit that had fist sized quartz rocks here and there (making them really easy to spot) and I was able to smack them quite handily with relative ease. (usually taking two shots but once I figured out the POA/POI difference, I hit several with one shot)

The only "upgrade" I've done is a dot of white paint on the front sight. The trigger isn't fantastic, but it's very good - much better than what I was expecting. There is very little take up and then it breaks with no noticeable overtravel. I don't plan on modifying it.

My only disappointed with it so far is that it does not feel CB longs from the mag. :( They do feed easily enough one at a time, but I was really hoping I could just keep a spare mag of them in my pocket for times when I need to shoot quietly. With CB longs, it's not much, if at all, louder than a pellet gun. :)

Despite its short barrel, I did not notice it to be any louder then my 16" 10/22 using "full-power" .22LRs. In fact, oddly enough, it seems to be quieter. Maybe I'm just going deaf though, who knows. :p Either way, there's no need for ear-pro while out hunting. (obviously it is still recommended if you're at the range or just plinking)

And yes, you've all seen pics of these rifles before, but this one is mine! :)

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Interesting to note, the Stevens 300F uses the same stock at the Savage MkII and 93F.
 
Do you want to plink or hunt? I got the .22LR so that I would be able to hit the local gravel pit and blast away all day for pennies per shot. Can't do that with .22WMR.

I don't plan of scoping mine so all shots on game will be <50 yards. I think LR is better suited for bunnies and grouse under 50 yards. I think I'd damage too much meat if I shot them with a WMR.

There's also the noise factor to consider. I imagine the WMR will be substantially louder than the LR.

That being said, the WMR has almost double the energy of a LR so it would be much better suited for longer shots and for bigger animals such as coyotes and racoons.

Either way you go, I'm sure you'll enjoy this little rifle as I do mine. Be sure to report back on what you picked and why. Have fun choosing! :)
 
Well how do you like that?!? I reported in a previous post that CB longs wouldn't feed properly from the mag. I must not have had the mag seated properly because I tried them again today and they feed just fine! :)

I now officially have no complaints about this rifle!
 
Are these rifles in stock with any of the site sponsors? Were they a limited run or will they continue to be produced?
 
I have been looking at getting a .22 WMR for some time now.

Just curious if anyone has knowledge or links to info about how much velocity the 13" barrel gives up.

A while back I did a test on my Ruger 10/22 with a Dlask 12.5" barrel vs factory 18.5" barrel and found the .22LR didn't give up anything, (in fact averaged higher velocities)

However the higher velocities of the .22 WMR cause me to think the short barrel would lose some FPS but I would like to hear from anyone who has some solid info.
 
I think the rule of thumb is 50fps per inch shorter than optimum length. No idea what the optimum length would be though. I'm guessing it'd be somewhere around the 18" mark. So with a difference of 5 inches times 50fps, you're looking at a 250fps loss. If you consider that the average velocity of a 40gr WMR is around 1900fps, you'd still be looking at 1750fps which is still a good 500fps faster then an average 40gr LR.

Like I said though, this is all just a guess. I actually have no idea at all. :p
 
I think the rule of thumb is 50fps per inch shorter than optimum length. No idea what the optimum length would be though. I'm guessing it'd be somewhere around the 18" mark. So with a difference of 5 inches times 50fps, you're looking at a 250fps loss. If you consider that the average velocity of a 40gr WMR is around 1900fps, you'd still be looking at 1750fps which is still a good 500fps faster then an average 40gr LR.

Like I said though, this is all just a guess. I actually have no idea at all. :p


MMATT...that's the same formula I've seen in print for some time...1" = 50fps in centerfires....I'really don't know about the 22's velocity loss per inch, but I'm thinking it should be somewhat close.
Those shorties sure look saweet!! Nice job. Do you have a rimfire headspace guage(measure your 22 rounds and sort em out by numbers.....supposed to make the cheap stuff perform like Eley Match ammo !! I'd love to get my hands on one...still waiting on a reply about it.
I also just ordered a new Savage 22LR...Mark II TR. I currently have 2 - 17HMR's and the ammo has increased by nearly 40-50% in the last 4 years. Sooooo.....I Wanna get back into some more plinking while others are cooling down at the range...back to basics I guess, 22LR was/is always fun. Besides, my 12 yr old daughter loves to shoot the 17's, 223, 65x55 and 243...she figures another one added to her list won't hurt ;) ...she's already got her eyes on the pink thumbhole Savage 22 :rolleyes::rolleyes: :D
 
No, I don't have a headspace gauge for rimfire. Didn't even know they existed. I've often wondered about weighing the individual rounds and sorting them by weight to see if they were any more accurate that way, but I don't have access to a precision scale so I guess that experiment will have to wait.

I can tell you that my shorty simply loves the Winchester bulk pack stuff (333/555 boxes). I was out this afternoon and absolutely nailed a rock (about 6" diameter), dead centre at 115ish yards. Then I did it again at about 50 yards, this time the rock was barely 2" across. This is standing, offhand with open sights. For being so short, it sure is surprising the hell outta me. I may just have to break down and scope it to see what it can really do.
 
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