Which 6.5 Variant?

Sapper33

Regular
Rating - 96.8%
30   1   0
Location
Okotoks
I'm hoping to build a list of pros/cons to the various 6.5 variants out there, or even just to find out if I'm far over thinking the subject. I'm planning on rebarreling a 22-250 Remington 700, so I'm working with a short action, and a .308 bolt face. I handload, so I'm not worried about factory ammo, but things like case life, barrel life, forming brass, any accuracy/range advantages.

So far the ones I know of (although not totally sure all the differences):
.260 Remington
.260AI
6.5 Creedmoor
6.5-08
6.5 Mystic

Others, and info would be appreciated.
 
I have a 6.5x47 barrel comming for my savage. I built this as a swith gun and have a 6BR and a 22/250AI as well. Multifunction set up. If I was to get one of the ones you have mentioned it would be the 260AI. Now Lapua has brass, just fire form and not have to worry about triming. It is starting to get quite the following as well.
 
If you are going to run the 260AI in a Rem short action you may want to consider and aftermarket magazine. The stock Rem mag limits OAL to about 2.825". When I was shooting Bergers in mine I had to seat them longer than that and that meant single feeding.
That being said A-max and Scenars run just fine at the mag length.
 
What and how are you planning on using this rifle?

Tactical is different from F class which is different from High Power silhouette, etc, etc.

Each chambering has its plus and minus. Each has a sport where it does the best.

Define your needs and the chambering selection is easy.

Simple rule for bore wear - the better the ballistics, the lower the bore life.

Jerry
 
What and how are you planning on using this rifle?

Tactical is different from F class which is different from High Power silhouette, etc, etc.
Very fair, but difficult.

I'm not looking for a rifle that will be the best at anyone thing, but that will do lots of stuff pretty well. I will not be competing at any level, in any field. However I do hope to have the chance to get out and do some silhouette, because there is a range near by.

Long(er) range paper recreational paper punching, and the long range gopher/coyote hunting. I also have access to large amounts of open land, so I can certainly see myself in the situation of using this to hit a deer at 4-500.
 
Well, the 260 AI & Jerrys 6.5 Mystic are so close it's a toss-up. Highest velocity potential of the group.
The 260 Rem & the 6.5/08 are basically identical, and perform at a level slightly below the ones mentioned above.
The 6.5x47 Lapua has a decent following, but does nothing the 260 will not do. Possibly a slightly better designed case, though.
The 6.5 Creedmoor has slightly more case capacity than does the 6.5x47, so more velocity, shorter throat life.
Regards, Eagleye.
 
Last edited:
"...What and how are you planning on..." Yep. Matter a whole lot.
Are you reloading? A lot 6.5 cartridges are a reloading thing only. There are about 14 different 6.5mm cartridges too. Some are more common than others as well.
 
With regards to the 260AI you will have to form the brass. Now you can make loads for fire-forming. They will allow you to practice, but will not have the same performance as that of the 260AI. Also, they will in-part consume some of the usable barrel life, unless you use the cream of wheat method of forming.

If you are not sure, take a look around 6mmBR . com. They have a nice piece on the 260AI.
 
If Lapua doesn't make brass for it, I will not use it.

You will never go wrong with a 260. It has the power to drive the heaviest bullets up to 2900 fps. It is easy to make work, it has reasonable barrel life and it is inherently accurate.

I would not suggest AI/Mystic versions because you don't need it, it wears barrels while fire forming, and it will reduce barrel life by one quarter to one third. If you were a hard-core F-Class shooter, well maybe. The extra velocity will be a small asset to long range shooting, but you will be barrel shopping again much sooner.

Forget the Creedmore.... If you go to a local gun store, there is virtually no way you will find brass and it is not as powerful as the 260. You WILL find cheap brass for the 260, if you want (just don't tell anyone hear, but we all do it) and there are dozens of proven combinations. The 260 with a 140 Berger is deadly on gophers or on ICFRA targets at 1000 yards

The6.5X47 Lapua can be an exceptionally accurate cartridge with very good barrel life, but it lacks the horsepower to do a good job with the 139-142 bullets that absolutely rule the long-distance arena.

Remember the Law of Parsimony....
 
I have a 260AI on a 40X action. It sports a Krieger Bull Barrel with a 1-8" twist.
I form all my brass with the COW method, thus not eating the throat while doing the fire forming.
It is very capable at 1000 yards, but obviously will erode a throat sooner than a milder chambering.
I still think the AI is justifiable, since a good barrel is not hard to come by.
Eagleye.
 
Im currently building two 6.5 variants.

260 Rem in Ruger #1 and 6.5x47 Lapua in a Rem 700.

Both have the exact 1-9'' McGowan barrels but one will hopefully shoot 123 SMK's and the other will shoot 140 SGK's.

Guess we'll have to see how they turn out.
 
I like the Creedmore the best of the three mainstream 6.5s (260, 6.5x47, Creedmore). However, this is even better, easily formed and can use Lapua brass:

http://6mmar.com/65_SuperLR.php

Not for everyone though... I like to buy my own reamer and am not adverse to forming brass.
 
If Lapua doesn't make brass for it, I will not use it.

You will never go wrong with a 260. It has the power to drive the heaviest bullets up to 2900 fps. It is easy to make work, it has reasonable barrel life and it is inherently accurate.

I would not suggest AI/Mystic versions because you don't need it, it wears barrels while fire forming, and it will reduce barrel life by one quarter to one third. If you were a hard-core F-Class shooter, well maybe. The extra velocity will be a small asset to long range shooting, but you will be barrel shopping again much sooner.

Forget the Creedmore.... If you go to a local gun store, there is virtually no way you will find brass and it is not as powerful as the 260. You WILL find cheap brass for the 260, if you want (just don't tell anyone hear, but we all do it) and there are dozens of proven combinations. The 260 with a 140 Berger is deadly on gophers or on ICFRA targets at 1000 yards

The6.5X47 Lapua can be an exceptionally accurate cartridge with very good barrel life, but it lacks the horsepower to do a good job with the 139-142 bullets that absolutely rule the long-distance arena.

Remember the Law of Parsimony....

Given the number of F Open shooters with the 260Rem that CAN'T reach 2900fps without all sorts of issues, I would not say it is easy to achieve. Low 2800's is where the 260Rem will thrive with the 140's. Certainly not a bad place to be.

The 260Rem is dead easy to work with and offers bore life no better nor worse then the improved variants. Within 100 to 200rds in the same barrel and a 260R run hot due to match conditions could easily be worn before an improved one shot under less demanding situations.

The useable difference in case volume is approx 2 to 4 gr of H4831SC. Very small indeed but that is enough to let the 260improved/Mystics get over 2900fps and the stand 260rem under.

Case forming can have no wear on the bore using the COW method. Or you can do your forming while practising. Net bore loss ZERO.

Brass life with the improved variant is superb and if you can anneal, the cases will outlast your barrel(s). I have gone through 7 barrels and still have the vast majority of my brass.

Depending on the set up and pressures of the standard 260R, you may face case trimming every few firings (outside neck turning not a bad idea at the same time). Eventually, that will erode the case web and it will fail.

Does it really matter? Only if your expensive cases need to get tossed faster then you would like.

The Creedmore is a solution to a problem only mag fed shooters will care about AND apparently sales have been pretty good. Performance is IDENTICAL to the 260Rem and it is a nice case design (but rip off of another from the 70's).

No rifle maker has jumped on the 6.5X47L to build rifles but some are building Creedmores. The AR crowd seems to be going gaga for this chambering in 308 based rigs.

So between the Creedmore and the 6.5X47L, no brainer, the Creedmore wins handily for market acceptance.

As for availability of components, no more so then finding Lapua brass at your corner hunting store.... NOT. Specialty products are sourced from specialty suppliers.

Hrn is the only supplier of Creedmore brass at this time but tons of it can easily and inexpensively be made from good old 22-250 cases. THIS you should be able to find in pretty much any store with reloading supplies.

So the "right" answer has more to do with application then anything else.

Build a hunting rifle and you really need to look hard at the amazing 6.5 Swede. 125yrs old for some very good reasons.

an F Open rig in a 6.5, the improved 260Rems really do work superbly and have WAY better bore life then the 6.5X284 which they mimic (up to 50% better). In this application, 100fps DOES matter.

for a mag fed hunting, tactical, high power rifle, the Creedmore does have some solid pluses vs the standard 260Rem. BUT performance from either will be the same. Decision will be on case shape prefered, bullet weight desired, and mag length used.

Short mags will favor the Creedmore. Long mags will favor the 260Rem or Swede.

I go by a simple rule - " There is no replacement for displacement "

How fast to do you want to go?

Jerry
 
Get the standard .260. When you can outshoot its capabilities and have worn out a tube or two, you might be served with a hotrod that gives you .5 min less wind at 1K in exchange for a dramatic loss of barrel life. Go for the long life and shoot lots. Unless you are playing the game for money, don't worry about all the fancy named rounds. My second choice would be the 6.5x47.
 
Back
Top Bottom