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So I am new to long range shooting(Only handguns till now) I am looking at a .308 but a couple of things,
is .308WIN and .308WIN MAG the same?
Who makes heavy barreled .308 model firearms(Remm,Savage??)
I know I am new but I hope somebody here will help out
Thanks
 
i think you mean 300 win mag and not it is not the same as 308 win and both those companys you have listed makes heavy barreled rifles in 308
 
300 win on left, 300 win mag on right

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srpiasta said:
Oh ok sorry about that, so how do you tell if a gun is heavy barreled?
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Usually the manufacturers description will tell. Heavy barrels are about 0.8-1.0 inch in diameter. Sporter weights are thinner of course. You can usually tell pretty easily from pictures.

Go take a look at the Remington and Savage web sites and look at their varmint/tactical offerings compared to the sporter/hunting. The difference in barrel thickness will be apparent.
 
I am also looking at getting into long range target shooting from what I have been reading both Remington and Savage have strong aspects, I think personally I am leaning more towards the Remington .308 not too sure which model yet.
 
savage vs rem is like ford vrs dodge, they both have ups and downs, personally i own both and have no quams with it.

the 308 as a good caliber and will be able to reach pretty far out...

if i may put in my .02... if your just getting into the precission rifle aspect, maybe loook at a .223, its got a few advantages over a 308 for starting, its cheaper for both buying and reloading, and while the recoild on a 308 isnt bad, it is enough that it can devlope bad habbits. chances are with a 223, once you have every thing learnt - breathing, tirgger controll, proper position etc and have practiced endlessly, the barrel will be shot off, and you can rebarrel with a nice match barrel with a fast twist, and shoot the real heavies and get out to 1000 yards with it.


the 308 is still affordable to shoot but if your dont have the dilligence to practice proper technique, its easy to fall into bad habbits.
 
ultimate_monkey said:
savage vs rem is like ford vrs dodge, they both have ups and downs, personally i own both and have no quams with it.

the 308 as a good caliber and will be able to reach pretty far out...

if i may put in my .02... if your just getting into the precission rifle aspect, maybe loook at a .223, its got a few advantages over a 308 for starting, its cheaper for both buying and reloading, and while the recoild on a 308 isnt bad, it is enough that it can devlope bad habbits. chances are with a 223, once you have every thing learnt - breathing, tirgger controll, proper position etc and have practiced endlessly, the barrel will be shot off, and you can rebarrel with a nice match barrel with a fast twist, and shoot the real heavies and get out to 1000 yards with it.


the 308 is still affordable to shoot but if your dont have the dilligence to practice proper technique, its easy to fall into bad habbits.
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I second the 223 option. Have a good look at the Savages that come with a 1 in 7" twist barrel out of the box. Its hard to beat the value.

It takes a really long time to learn how to shoot well at long distances and even longer to learn to read wind.

The smaller the caliber the more fun it is to shoot in high volume.
 
Savage or Rem in 223 with a 9 or faster twist. heavy barrel 26" long. 20" will work too but I like longer for LR work ( I have a 22" that I shoot out to 1400yds so....)

I wouldn't suggest spending alot of money with a custom. Most factory rifles today shoot really well and certainly will be a while before you catch up with your gear.

Choose a stock style that excites you and fits you.

Have it bedded

Learn how to reload.

Enjoy plinking well beyond 1000yds. wind reading is everything in LR shooting.

I lean heavily towards Savage and can recommend the 12BVSS and VLP. The HS and McMillan LE rifles have great ergonomics but they don't come in 223.

Or you can grab a 12FV and put it into an aftermarket stock like the Choate family for about the same money. Just depends on the stock style you prefer.

Lots of info on my website if interested.

Enjoy...

Jerry
 
Don't be in too much of a rush to get way out there. 300m or so can be alot of fun too. Plus, ranges around here tend to only go out that far. YOu will need to get a few basics learned to be able to consistantly hit targets at 300 or 1000m, you will simply be alot closer to hitting where you want at 300 than 1000. This should hit your target and you will know where it went and be able to figure out why it hit there alot more easily than just wondering why there is no clang from a gong or no holes in your paper target. If you have a spotter you may know without actually hitting your target, but start slow and enjoy it. Try to find somebody on here that lives around you and can help you learn.
I'm not saying to avoid the long ranges, just get comfortable shooting at conventional ranges and move further as your skill level increases. Once I can shoot MOA or approx 1" per 100yds of distance, I move back. 1-100yds, 2"-200yds and so on. BTW, a 223 is alot of fun to shoot and about 30-50% of the cost of a 308 for ammo.
 
Bah, only difference is a smaller point of aim at 1000y.
If you have the opportunity to shoot distance do it. Espically if ur starting out. Have some fun .
After time you just get better at doing it. And I mean ALOT better.

.308 is not that expansive to shoot in retro spec. Handles the wind better as well.
 
It is forsure I am going with .308 and no smaller. I have done the reading and plus I can't hunt with a .223 if I ever want too. I don't have an issue with the cost of ammo I look at it as if I want to get better I have to shoot more so it's like filling up the truck I don't look at the price I just fuel cause I want to drive.
I may pick up a .223 down the road for my youngest but not just yet. Is there a certin grain the 308's like?
 
srpiasta said:
It is forsure I am going with .308 and no smaller. I have done the reading and plus I can't hunt with a .223 if I ever want too. I don't have an issue with the cost of ammo I look at it as if I want to get better I have to shoot more so it's like filling up the truck I don't look at the price I just fuel cause I want to drive.
I may pick up a .223 down the road for my youngest but not just yet. Is there a certin grain the 308's like?
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I made the same choice a year ago for a target type rifle. Now I wish I had gone with a fast twist 223. A bolt gun with a long heavy barrel can be limiting depending on the type of hunting you do, or it can be fine. If it's not great for hunting.....there is an excuse to get another rifle.

As for bullet weights 155, 175, 185, 190's are popular. Use the search function and you should find lots of information and varying options. Likely you will come down to just trying to find out what works in your rifle for the distances you are shooting. There are lots of choices which are good, a few that are bad and very few that are perfect.
 
Look at the Remington 700 5R milspec. One of the most accurate factory rifles out of the box. Cost $1500 at the most. You can get them from here around $1000.

Gun has a HS stock, 24" 5R barrel with 11.25 ?? Forget the exact twist. Anyway they shoot the 175smk and 178amax really well. Sub moa guns.
 
The difference between a 223 and a 308 is like the difference between a 22 semi-auto browning pistol and a colt 38 special revolver. The 300 WM is like a 44 mag.

The difference is performance wise the 223 pretty much equals that of the 308, (yes you read right) with the advantge going firmly in the 223's favour for superior long range bullet selections and Ballistic coefficients.

As to brands, both Savage and Remington are terrific choices. One under-recommended rifle, and arguably the single most accurate factory rifle going is the Tikka T3 Varminter in 223. On par with the best of Remington, Savage etc. and outstanding accuracy. They are equally upgradable as far a replacement barrels etc. and they shoot!

If you want a pure target/varmint type rifle, the Savage Long Range Precison Varminter is also great. I would worry less about twists, and simply have fun with a lighter, cheaper bullet. Beware of the man with only one gun for he knows how to shoot it. Sticking with one thing and making it work for you a good plan.
 
My first 308 was a Savage model 12 FTR it shoots very well(Wife shot 9 of 15 inside a 2.5 inch circle at 800 yards). With good optics and a rest it will perform up there with the big guns. I haven't shot it since my wife claimed it.
Have fun
 
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