Lever action AR15?

Eric_911

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Like most, I've been lusting after a non-restricted AR15 type rifle for a long time.

There was faint hope when Dlask came out with their pump action "AR15-style" firearm, but the CFC deemed it restricted, and that was pretty much it for the design.

What I really want is any type of non-restricted lower which will accomodate an AR15 upper. Manually cycled would probably be the only way to go for it to get non-restricted classification. Either single shot, lever, or even a straight pull. Of course for a manually cycled AR Lower, some work would be required on the gas system of the upper. Thats do-able.

The question is: Could a lower be created, which shares absolutely no commonality in parts with the AR15, and which the only resemblance to the AR family is its capability of accepting an AR15 upper? Even if it were a single shot....

And if so, could such a lower be deemed restricted as a variant based solely on its capability of accepting an AR15 upper?

I'm guessing this one below would be deemed restricted here in Canada.... but just food for thought... Fugly as hell, not ergonomic at all, but it gets the job done. Its a rifle made in the UK to work around their laws. Even chambered in .30 Carbine!

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Method of operation is irrelevant, because the AR is a named restricted firearm.
There are single shot AR lowers - used with the AR compatible .50BMG uppers.
These are still restricted, because they accept an AR compatible upper.
MAYBE, if the upper was similar to an AR, but would not fit an AR lower - let's say it went together with screws - the resulting firearm would not be a restricted AR variant.
If the magazine well would accept an AR magazine, capacity restrictions would likely apply.
In the UK, manually operated ARs are acceptable, because it is semi auto function that is restricted.
 
Common Sense?

Really!! Are you trying to apply common sense to Canadian gun laws? You must be new to the country!


Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Geoff
 
Eric_911 said:
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this looks like something the RCMP would put together in their lab, mind you there is no duct tape and pen springs.

i would also think that if something like that was non-restricted, you would have to prove, 100% that it could not be converted back to semi. (weld the gas block shut)

on a side note. that rifle is like a car accident I just can't look away please post more pictures. i'm kind of curious how it works now.

OP, i think ATRS?? went through something like this with one of their uppers (or lowers, can't remember) Hopefully another member with a better memory can chime in on this.

also tiriaq said "MAYBE, if the upper was similar to an AR, but would not fit an AR lower - let's say it went together with screws - the resulting firearm would not be a restricted AR variant"

if it could even, in the slightest or any way imaginable (duct tape, glue) attach to a lower, it would be considered restricted.
 
We shouldn't be trying to accommodate our firearms into a stupid law, we should be pushing to get the AR's non-restricted. It's a law based on appearance, stupid.
 
Isn't the rem7600 pump action basically what you're after? It takes AR mags, chambered in 223, and AR-like. I know you mentioned it wanted an AR upper, I don't think you'll ever see that as non-restricted.
 
Try a Browning BLR in .223 and accessories. The mechanism is very fast and a short throw. Box magazines at 5 rounds , it has it all. Or the Remington .223 pump.
 
Rocket Surgery said:
Isn't the rem7600 pump action basically what you're after? It takes AR mags, chambered in 223, and AR-like. I know you mentioned it wanted an AR upper, I don't think you'll ever see that as non-restricted.
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7615 actually.

rem has since discontinued them I do believe? too bad, I kind of wanted one.

took 20 gauge 870 parts. was built on the 870 frame.
they tried to break into the AR market for police departments not allowed to carry ARs or wanted a more PC firearm that could still deliver rounds downrange reliably or were already familiar with 870s.

went over like sh*t flavored lollipops.

could have had quite the sales in Canada if they would have been marketed right I think. i know a few guys on the board have them.
 
pres717 said:
We shouldn't be trying to accommodate our firearms into a stupid law, we should be pushing to get the AR's non-restricted. It's a law based on appearance, stupid.
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We should get every single firearm on the prohibited list taken off as well since they're all there because they look scary.

Example: AK-47 = super scary but vz. 58 = perfectly fine

Plus, I really want an AUG :D
 
Alright, here's my photoshop mockup. Obviously easier said than created in the real world, but just mocked up to stimulate discussion.

So the idea is as follows: Single shot straight pull action, using a Remington 870 trigger group (just for shts&giggles) Gas system is blocked, or non-existant altogether. There is no capability to feed with a mag, it is single shot through the ejection port only.

-Pull the bolt back after every shot, and it locks to the rear.
-Insert fresh cartridge
-Depress the bolt catch to let the bolt go forward
-Forward assist if thats your cup of tea
-Fire, and repeat.

IMHO, since the AR15 upper is not classified as a firearm, a compatible lower receiver which shares no common mode of operation at all and no commonality of parts in the fire control group can't conceivably be classified as restricted.

Looks a little like the Cali-AR15's you see out there......

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Eric_911 said:
Alright, here's my photoshop mockup. Obviously easier said than created in the real world, but just mocked up to stimulate discussion.

So the idea is as follows: Single shot straight pull action, using a Remington 870 trigger group (just for shts&giggles) Gas system is blocked, or non-existant altogether. There is no capability to feed with a mag, it is single shot through the ejection port only.

-Pull the bolt back after every shot, and it locks to the rear.
-Insert fresh cartridge
-Depress the bolt catch to let the bolt go forward
-Forward assist if thats your cup of tea
-Fire, and repeat.

IMHO, since the AR15 upper is not classified as a firearm, a compatible lower receiver which shares no common mode of operation at all and no commonality of parts in the fire control group can't conceivably be classified as restricted.

Looks a little like the Cali-AR15's you see out there......

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Being a single shot...why not just buy a break action single shot .223? REALLY cheap to and faster to use. If this was still mag fed and had a lever loop for ease of use and to be faster...it IMO would go over much better.
 
that crossbow upper is an upper, meaning it fits on a restricted lower

doesnt atrs have nr ar-15 lowers that only work with their .50bmg upper? basically just something that an ar-15 trigger fits in
 
If your looking for an AR 15 "TYPE" rifle, why not an xcr? And lest not turn this into an ar/xcr battle. Im just sayin it fits into the "type"
 
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