.260 Remington?
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Johnn Peterson
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"You pay for it in extra recoil"!!! Is there really that much of a noticeable difference???
There is a really significant difference between the two in similar weighted rifles. I've owned both and am convinced the 270 is the most overrated cartridge in the firearm world, mostly because you get no real discernible benefit over the 260 rem and you get way more recoil in a light rifle.
270 Winchester serving 130gr at 3060fps since 1925...
My point is that they were here (North America) before 6.5 appeared:
270 Winchester 130gr at 3060fps since 1925 and
30-60 Springfield 180gr at 2700fps since 1906.
There are better cartridges but these 2 set the a really high standard for all the others (and have killed many "better" cartridges like the 7mm Mauser).
Alex
BTW I'm getting a custom 260 Remington or 7mm-08 Remington this summer not a 270 Winchester or a 30-06 Springfield.
My point is that they were here (North America) before 6.5 appeared:
270 Winchester 130gr at 3060fps since 1925 and
30-60 Springfield 180gr at 2700fps since 1906.
There are better cartridges but these 2 set the a really high standard for all the others (and have killed many "better" cartridges like the 7mm Mauser).
Alex
BTW I'm getting a custom 260 Remington or 7mm-08 Remington this summer not a 270 Winchester or a 30-06 Springfield.
With a 130 grain TSX at 2800 fps, it will take care of any deer or bear and at reasonable ranges (200 yds) it will handle a moose and elk. Easy to shoot and reload. There is a new kid in town called a 6.5 Creedmore that is essentially the same as a 260 but is a bit shorter and fatter to allow for seating a bullet a bit further out than a 260. As the 260 is a short action, the shallow seating can mean more powder for heavier bullets. Ruger and Tikka (or Sako?) are manufacturing rilfes in the calibre. Anyway, I sure do like my 260 Rem!
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Perhaps there is a significant difference in recoil between the two. I'm just having difficulty figuring out how & why. Until recently, I've never owned or hunted with anything chambered in 270. Looking at what I have available and as there did seem to be a void in my gun safe
, I thought I'd get a 270 while I'm still able to make use of it. As 'things' have turned out, I now have a pair of 270's
. I purchased a Husqvarna 3000, then as luck would have it, I picked up a Sako with full length wood that a friend and former workmate owned but isn't able to use any longer.I haven't tried for anything in 264 as I didn't see that anything in that size would 'fill a significant void' in what I already have.
Back to the issue of a 'noticeable' recoil difference, there I do have a problem. In two rifles of similar/same manufacturer and weight, from the shooting I've done , I'm sure I'd have difficulty telling or feeling the difference between, for example;
- 260, 129gr @ 2900 f/sec and a 270, 130gr @ 3100 f/sec
- 260, 140gr @ 2700 f/sec and a 270, 140gr @ 3000 f/sec
Perhaps there is a significant difference in recoil between the two. I'm just having difficulty figuring out how & why. Until recently, I've never owned or hunted with anything chambered in 270. Looking at what I have available and as there did seem to be a void in my gun safe
I haven't tried for anything in 264 as I didn't see that anything in that size would 'fill a significant void' in what I already have.
Back to the issue of a 'noticeable' recoil difference, there I do have a problem. In two rifles of similar/same manufacturer and weight, from the shooting I've done , I'm sure I'd have difficulty telling or feeling the difference between, for example;
I'm not and I don't think most shooters would be able to detect a noticeable difference in resulting recoil. Most aren't that recoil sensitive. It would be similar to being able to tell the difference in recoil when I'm shooting 150gr and 180gr loads in my '06.
- 260, 129gr @ 2900 f/sec and a 270, 130gr @ 3100 f/sec
- 260, 140gr @ 2700 f/sec and a 270, 140gr @ 3000 f/sec
big enough difference between the two
.260 Rem. (140 at 2750) 8.25 11.9 9.7
.270 Win. (140 at 3000) 8.0 17.1 11.7
rifle weight, recoil energy, recoil velocity
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Where did he find a 260 heavier than a 270? Nice comparison.
Using various recoil calculators online, in a rifle of the same weight using the above figures, the 260 would have about 20% less felt recoil. However, I would suspect that in most instances the rifle chambered in 260 would be lighter due to the action length and more than likely a shorter barrel.
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Johnn Peterson
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Once again, rifle make and weight being equal, would it physically 'really' be all that noticeable?? I think, PROBABLY not. At least I'm sure I wouldn't be able to differentiate.
7.5 lb 260 Rem
120gr @ 2950 fps - 13.5 ft lbs recoil energy
130gr @ 2850 fps - 14.0 ft lbs
140gr @ 2750 fps - 14.3 ft lbs
7.5 lb 270 Win
130gr @ 3060 fps - 18.5 ft lbs
150gr @ 2850 fps - 19.5 ft lbs
8 lb 30-06
150gr @ 2950 fps - 20.5 ft lbs
180gr @ 2700 fps - 22 ft lbs
120gr @ 2950 fps - 13.5 ft lbs recoil energy
130gr @ 2850 fps - 14.0 ft lbs
140gr @ 2750 fps - 14.3 ft lbs
7.5 lb 270 Win
130gr @ 3060 fps - 18.5 ft lbs
150gr @ 2850 fps - 19.5 ft lbs
8 lb 30-06
150gr @ 2950 fps - 20.5 ft lbs
180gr @ 2700 fps - 22 ft lbs
Johnn Peterson
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Thanks for all the info, I stand corrected. Oh, sorry for thinking.
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Originally Posted by Johnn Peterson
"You pay for it in extra recoil"!!! Is there really that much of a noticeable difference???
Especially when you do lots of shooting on the range.
"You pay for it in extra recoil"!!! Is there really that much of a noticeable difference???
Especially when you do lots of shooting on the range.
So that's about 25% less recoil than the .270 130 grain and 32% less than a .30-06 150 grainer. All to the tune of a similarly dead deer or moose, and much better ballistic performance.
Makes one want a Model 70 in .260 Remington...
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.260REM a .300WinMag in a short skirt?
Everybody's got a dream. Keep your dream alive, no matter how many will laugh at you along the way.
.260s got nice SDs and BCs to punch paper as a light duty sniping package out to 800-900, and I like a cartridge that delivers half of its muzzle energy out to 500yds,i.e, low 2000s and 1000ftlbs rspectively, but a .300, sorry, it's time to get up sleepy head, the bus will be here soon!
A heavy bullet from a .300, is a bone crusher on all North American game and it delivers energy to drop White tails out to X2 the .260, so lets not disrespect one of the greatest Cartridges from the latter part of the 20th century. And i'm a 7mmRem Mag guy.
Johnn Peterson
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With the selection of rifles I have, it's highly unlikely I would opt to now pick up a 260. A number of calibers close by, bigger and smaller and more than enough already to keep my time occupied hunting, shooting and reloading for. The time is approaching when I'll probably start thinning 'things' out a little.
Why I questioned the comparitive recoil differences is because with the shooting I've done over the years, there didn't seem to be any 'major' differences between the two calibers. At least nothing apparent to me that would indicate reason for any real significant difference in felt recoil.
The 6.5 bullets sit at a sweetspot when it comes to ballistic efficiency
Recoil matters a lot only if you're tired or have fired many rounds.
But any target shooter can tell the difference between 308 (168gr) , 7-08 (150gr) , 260 (130gr) and 243 (105gr). These bullets pretty much as the same BC but you can notice easily the rise in bullet weight.
The 6.5 bullets sit at a sweetspot when it comes to ballistic efficiency (which is between 6mm for short range and 7mm for long range).
There are many excellent .308 caliber target bullets but they're very heavy (US Army 300 Win Mag cartridge use a 220gr SMK, not a 190gr SMK) and generate 338 Win Mag like recoil.
Alex
Recoil matters a lot only if you're tired or have fired many rounds.
But any target shooter can tell the difference between 308 (168gr) , 7-08 (150gr) , 260 (130gr) and 243 (105gr). These bullets pretty much as the same BC but you can notice easily the rise in bullet weight.
The 6.5 bullets sit at a sweetspot when it comes to ballistic efficiency (which is between 6mm for short range and 7mm for long range).
There are many excellent .308 caliber target bullets but they're very heavy (US Army 300 Win Mag cartridge use a 220gr SMK, not a 190gr SMK) and generate 338 Win Mag like recoil.
Alex
I apologize for my comments last night I was in a bad mood
. But It is very noticeable to some. Me included, I'm not recoil sensitive I shoot a 300 mag and 45-70 on a regular basis. The 260 is very nice to shoot ,I prefer my 6.5x55 though just get more powder in the case, You can shoot both all day and not hurt and not break th bank.I apologize for my comments last night I was in a bad mood
. But It is very noticeable to some. Me included, I'm not recoil sensitive I shoot a 300 mag and 45-70 on a regular basis. The 260 is very nice to shoot ,I prefer my 6.5x55 though just get more powder in the case, You can shoot both all day and not hurt and not break the bank.
