yes or no..Glock or Colt 1911- which has the better service life???

I actually had a 1911 that absolutely would not chamber a round unless I used the slide stop. I bought it as a "tuned" gun from a "well known" smith who stated because of the shok-buff that is how 1911's are supposed to be worked.... umm needless to say I don't deal with him much these days.

I ended up shaving down the buff and work great either way after that.
 
bollox said:
I actually had a 1911 that absolutely would not chamber a round unless I used the slide stop. I bought it as a "tuned" gun from a "well known" smith who stated because of the shok-buff that is how 1911's are supposed to be worked.... umm needless to say I don't deal with him much these days.

I ended up shaving down the buff and work great either way after that.
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Does the "smith" work out of a closet in a trailer park in Calgary??
 
TDC said:
If you're wounded or otherwise stuck with only one had then you'll just have to make do. That usually means using the slide lock. If you're down to one hand, the method you use to keep the gun running won't really matter.





Nothing inherently wrong with using the slide lock. However, using the slide provides more compression of the recoil spring which in turns provides more force to drive the slide back into battery. Using the slide works on all autos for both right and left handed users. Using the slide does not require single digit dexterity or fine motor skills. Cycling the slide with your support side hand(and arm) offers greater strength than running a single digit on the small slanted surface of a slide lock/release.

As for the slide lock/release "always working". That is only the case IF the slide has locked to the rear. Should the slide fail to lock to the rear then depressing the slide lock/release will accomplish nothing. Cycling the slide will always ensure the pistol is loaded as it is the only way to ensure the pistol is loaded. As mentioned above, grasping the large surfaces of the slide with all five digits is far more positive than pressing down on the small slanted surface of the slide lock/release with a single digit.

The time saved by using the slide lock/release is minute. The time wasted when you miss the slide lock/release or the slide wasn't locked to the rear, is significant. The answer to the issues above is going to be cycling the slide. So if cycling the slide is the default "go to" answer, then why is it the second option and not the first? The fastest reload doesn't make a difference if the shots fired are misses. The fastest reload doesn't make a difference if all you did was insert a fresh magazine but failed to chamber a round. The additional half second it takes cycling the slide to ensure I loaded my pistol, is priceless.

Shooting is about consistency, and being able to load your gun every time without fail is consistent performance. Regardless of how much time it takes, its consistent. If you know you can reload effectively 100% of the time at a speed of 4 seconds, you can work around that. If you can load effectively 50% of the time at 2.5 seconds, you aren't consistent and you can't rely on that ability.

"Those who don't do it right the first time, somehow find the time to do it right the second."

TDC
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I think the speed advantage outweighs the chance of doing it wrong.
 
joebanana said:
I think the speed advantage outweighs the chance of doing it wrong.
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You would think. The speed advantage is only an advantage if the reload is successful. As mentioned, if the reload fails, it doesn't matter how fast it was, it didn't bring the gun back online. The extra time wasted correcting a failed reload could have been saved by simply using a method that works all the time at a speed that you're comfortable with.

TDC
 
TDC said:
You would think. The speed advantage is only an advantage if the reload is successful. As mentioned, if the reload fails, it doesn't matter how fast it was, it didn't bring the gun back online. The extra time wasted correcting a failed reload could have been saved by simply using a method that works all the time at a speed that you're comfortable with.

TDC
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Releasing the slide release at a comfortable speed works every time.
 
I think after another fifty to a hundred years Glocks will be still the champ due to the utter simplicity, light weight and easy to shoot. Glocks are on the hips of 80%+ of police in the US and Canada and there is good reason. 1911's are nice, but heavy, too many parts, too much gunsmithing, too much of a pain. No doubt they have a proven record but I think Glock is going to go down in history as a better design.
 
joebanana said:
Releasing the slide release at a comfortable speed works every time.
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Provided your finger can depress the slide lock/release and the slide locked to the rear to begin with. With different control locations, styles, and sizes, the slide lock/release isn't a universal answer. Throw in the size, strength and capability of different users and the problem compounds.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Provided your finger can depress the slide lock/release and the slide locked to the rear to begin with. With different control locations, styles, and sizes, the slide lock/release isn't a universal answer. Throw in the size, strength and capability of different users and the problem compounds.

TDC
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I don't have to worry about different users and don't have to come up with a universal answer.
 
joebanana said:
I don't have to worry about different users and don't have to come up with a universal answer.
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Under stress, you will miss the slide lock/release. I'm concerned with what works under stress such as that during a competition or a defensive shoot. I don't care what works for those who shoot slow fire from a stationary position at stationary targets without time constraints. The methods that work and are taught by and for those who use them to defend life have zero value to the above mentioned enthusiasts.


TDC
 
TDC said:
Under stress, you will miss the slide lock/release. I'm concerned with what works under stress such as that during a competition or a defensive shoot. I don't care what works for those who shoot slow fire from a stationary position at stationary targets without time constraints. The methods that work and are taught by and for those who use them to defend life have zero value to the above mentioned enthusiasts.


TDC
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I don't care what works for bullseye shooters either. Don't know where that came up and your not in a position to tell me what I'm capable of under stress.
 
joebanana said:
I don't care what works for bullseye shooters either. Don't know where that came up and your not in a position to tell me what I'm capable of under stress.
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You're right, I'm not in a position to tell you what you are or are not capable of under stress. I am however in a position to tell you what is likely occur under stress when exercising poor methods of operation. From my experiences I have seen many many shooters/competitors f*ck up a reload by attempting to use the slide lock/release. Any professional school worth their salt does not advocate or teach the use of the slide lock/release as a primary method.

I guess a guy could learn the controls of the firearm he chooses and become proficient with them. I prefer to learn a universal method and focus on making hits..

TDC
 
TDC said:
You're right, I'm not in a position to tell you what you are or are not capable of under stress. I am however in a position to tell you what is likely occur under stress when exercising poor methods of operation. From my experiences I have seen many many shooters/competitors f*ck up a reload by attempting to use the slide lock/release. Any professional school worth their salt does not advocate or teach the use of the slide lock/release as a primary method.

I guess a guy could learn the controls of the firearm he chooses and become proficient with them. I prefer to learn a universal method and focus on making hits..

TDC
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That describes pretty much all the top-tier instructors these days...Vickers, Hackathorn, Defoor...all these guys use the slide release. In fact I am trying to think who, other than James Yeager, is still advocating the "always rack" methodology. I am having a hard time coming up with any big names, that's for sure. I can think of a few trainers that still teach that...but they are all guys at small outfits who mostly train civilians (not that I have a problem with that). But of the heavy hitters training the pointy-tip guys...who still believes that? Anyone?

Personally, I just can't figure out how people who can't find the slide release under stress have managed to locate the mag release under stress.

At any rate, I do not have any trouble activating the slide release on any of my guns, stressed or no. If you do it enough, it becomes as automatic as any other fine motor skill...like, for instance, pressing a trigger, say, or a mag release.
 
TDC said:
You're right, I'm not in a position to tell you what you are or are not capable of under stress. I am however in a position to tell you what is likely occur under stress when exercising poor methods of operation. From my experiences I have seen many many shooters/competitors f*ck up a reload by attempting to use the slide lock/release. Any professional school worth their salt does not advocate or teach the use of the slide lock/release as a primary method.

I guess a guy could learn the controls of the firearm he chooses and become proficient with them. I prefer to learn a universal method and focus on making hits..

TDC
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You fill your boots buddy. The cops have to make sure the 95lb chick who never shot a gun before and has no interest in shooting for any other reason than getting her job will pass. I'd go with your method for them too.

AFAIC, your arguments are the same as those against using the cocked and locked 1911 for police departments.
 
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