.243 Winchester: What's your take?

My take with the 243? A variety of Mule and Whitetail bucks and does, big bodied prairie deer, up to 260 yds. Several coyotes out to 350 yds, and a handful of other vermin.

I have also witnessed it killing moose and black bears.

It is a damn fine round that is underappreciated by all but the edjumacated rifleman.
 
243 hardly offers much in weight savings over its parent case 308, and limits your bullet selection whether or not you reload

I shot enfields and C1's when I was a wee 12 year old army cadet and had no issues with recoil. If you can't handle the recoil of 308, maybe its time to learn how to properly hold a rifle.

I'm talking hunting not range shooting - I doubt anyone shoots .243 on the range except to zero. Most of the time you aren't going to feel recoil when you hunt as your caught up in the hunt. It comes into play if you start to think about it, if you have developed a flinch or if you don't hold your rifle properly (but hey if you're doing that you'll miss with a .243 too).

Where the .243 helps is that as it has less recoil, you can carry a lighter gun. Now if you are range shooting or sitting in a stand then a lighter gun may not matter much but I guarantee that if you spend a day stalking that big one you'll appreciate the lighter rifle.

When I want to go big I don't bother with .308 or .303 - I shoot .270WSM and it kicks in a light rifle. But you add a scope, etc and walk with a long barrel in the bush - that rifle starts to get heavy (unless you sling it but that's when the big one shows up).

As to bullet selection - all the deer that I've shot D-E-A-D with my .243 have never said boo about what kind of bullet selection I was using.

BTW I shot C1s and C2s too and don't consider the .308 to be a heavy recoil round at all.
 
Not surprisingly the .243 has a strong following. It doesn't kick much although, like a .22-250, it can bark pretty good, particularly from a short barrel. Rifles chambered for it tend to be accurate, that was certainly the case with my SAKO Varmint when I owned one years ago and the Remington/Lilja M-7 I own now. In those jurisdictions that have a minimum bore diameter for big game, the .243 is probably legal, although it's advantage over a .22-250 is debatable.

On game up to 100 pounds the .243 when mated with an appropriate bullet produces sufficient penetration and kills well, but IMHO the idea that the .243 makes an ideal general purpose big game cartridge overstates it's effectiveness. In the North it shines as a wolf/caribou gun, but wolves generally fall into the 100 pound range and caribou are perhaps the easiest of any big game to kill, and tend to be taken broadside. In the southern US where whitetail weight tends to be closer to 100 pounds the varmint to deer monicker is more appropriate than on the Canadian prairies. As a general purpose big game cartridge, the .243 does not meet the requirement of having a reasonable expectation of killing any big game animal with a single shot, from any direction or angle, within the range limitations of the rifle, cartridge, and hunter. There is not enough mass in a .243 bullet to ensure sufficient penetration at close range and as it's velocity bleeds off with range, this does not bode well for long range lethality despite its flat trajectory. Either the 6.5X55 or the 7X57 are better big game cartridges, and both exhibit the mild manners necessary for the recoil shy rifleman to optimize his marksmanship skills, and both have better bullet mass to velocity ratios to ensure deep penetration on large game.

On these pages we occasionally see the .243 touted for bear, moose and elk. While it can and has been used with some success at the large end of the North American big game spectrum, in those cases the .243 should be reserved as the expert's choice, and in many cases an expert would rather have something larger. When he's armed with a .243, the expert knows not to try a quartering shot, neither front or rear, he knows to keep away from large bones, and he knows to work the action at the shoulder for a fast follow up shot should he need one. If you have to wait for the animal to provide you with a text book broadside shot, you need more gun.

This is a fantastic post, and I agree with it whole heartedly. I do not own a 243, but do own a 240 Weatherby and will take it for shooting whitetails with, or long range coyote and wolf hunting. If I go after larger game I will take the 300 Weatherby instead.
 
The 243 may not have a huge following as a elk, black bear or moose gun, but for the people out there who do use them for that purpose, they will attest to their ability to harvest big animals. That cannot be ignored. Of coarse this is an era where some believe you should use a 300winmag for deer. And those same people are the first to cut down any lesser cartridge.
 
I'm a real 243 "man" but am very serious about my hunting cartridge requirements: one clean, solid hit should kill an animal 95-98% of the time.
Realistically, 243 Win using premium bullets does this up to deer sized game, that's why I also own a 270WSM (insert 30-60, 270, 300Win Mag, ...) for larger than deer (and non dangerous game).

Saying that 243 can kill a moose is like saying the 223 can kill a deer: it's true at short range on a perfect broadside shot only.

I want my hunting cartridge to always (well almost) get the job done,

Alex
 
When I tried moose hunting last year I took along two rifles (one for me and one for my friend who doesn't hunt but is a forestry worker and knew where the moose were) - a bolt action in .270 WSM and a lever in .303. I would not use my .243 on anything larger than deer.

My friend says a moose will charge you if it thinks you're another moose. In that case I want something that has a better percentage of stopping them than a .243
 
I bought an x-bolt in 243 this year that I would not be afraid to take deer hunting. Having said that, I would probably not have shot at 2 of the 3 deer I harvested last year if I was carrying the 243. One was at 350 yds and the 2nd saw me before I saw him and he was doing mach 2. Now a 243 would still take this deer but the bush was only 50 yds away and I knew the 270 wsm would drop him before he got there. (Not a big fan of tracking if I don't have to)
 
I definitely need to add a 243 to my collection, my friends went on a bear hunt last year (black bear) .One used a 375 h&h, and the other a .243 ..they both ended in a dead bruin.
 
Nice chambering, I probably will never own one, with a 6.5 Swede in my safe. I would opt for a 260 or 7/08 if I wanted a SA with light recoil.:cheers:
 
huh, so now we are saying woman can't shoot the bigger calibers? I've heard people say the same thing about the 25-06, 22-250, 270wsm. Its like saying 4 cylinders are for the ladies and v6s are for men. ( i hate car/rifle analogies, but in this case, it works.

and as for the fairy comment: is everything a #### measuring, chest thumping, recoil thing?
Funny my 15 year old Daughter can nicely handle (her's) 8mm mauser, 7.62 x 54R ( m-39 and SVT-40) & 6.5 x 55.
I wonder if all the manly men will need to upgrade to .50 BMG now?
And my daughter is maybe 120lbs.
She isn't a super shot but she gets it done, other than the 6.5 no flinches. That Norma 6.5 x 55 is pretty hot
 
When I tried moose hunting last year I took along two rifles (one for me and one for my friend who doesn't hunt but is a forestry worker and knew where the moose were) - a bolt action in .270 WSM and a lever in .303. I would not use my .243 on anything larger than deer.

My friend says a moose will charge you if it thinks you're another moose. In that case I want something that has a better percentage of stopping them than a .243

I've never met anyone that has been charged by a moose during rifle season. Not saying it never happens, but I ain't seen it. It's kind of like wolf attacks - I hear a lot of talk about it, but never saw anyone with teeth marks to back it up.
 
I've never met anyone that has been charged by a moose during rifle season. Not saying it never happens, but I ain't seen it. It's kind of like wolf attacks - I hear a lot of talk about it, but never saw anyone with teeth marks to back it up.

I'm with you on wolf attacks. Extremely rare.
But I can assure you, don't ever mess with an over ###ed bull moose.
A game warden and myself were once chased up a tree by a bull moose. We didn't have any firearms with us. Later, the same fall the same game warden was chased up a tree by another over ###ed bull moose.
I have never had to shoot one, but have been in a precarious position twice more, by them.
One time it was a very precarious position. I was on a slide on a mountain on a grassy patch about 25 feet wide. A bull moose heard me and came from at least a hundred yards back in the alders. I could see the alders moving as he walked through them. I couldn't possibly see the animal and thought it was likely a grizzly. I moved to the far side of the little opening and changed position a bit. Eerily, the line of alders moving, the route he was taking, also changed to point exactly at my new position!
Then, the worst looking over ###ed bull I've ever seen emerged. Twenty five feet away, if I never moved or twitched a muscle, he couldn't see me. Every time he turned, or even looked the other way, I inched a bit down the slide, but had to stay in the clear, in case he saw me and charged. It was at least twenty minutes before I got away from him. At times he was less than twenty feet from me. Oh yes, all this time the safety was off of the 270, but I can't imagine what that would have been like, had I not had a rifle.
I've also had a young bull moose, late winter, beat up the hood of the truck two of us were sitting in!
 
I've never met anyone that has been charged by a moose during rifle season. Not saying it never happens, but I ain't seen it. It's kind of like wolf attacks - I hear a lot of talk about it, but never saw anyone with teeth marks to back it up.

The fellow I went moose hunting with does commercial fishing on Lake Winnipeg, traps and also works for companies like Tembec, Boise Cascade and the MB gov't doing forestry inventories. So he's in the bush alone a lot. He told me a story about a group of natives who were chased into their p/u truck by an over ###ed bull moose. It chased them around the truck (can't remember if they had rifles or not), charged and smashed the side window of the truck after the three got in. The guy sitting on the outside got gored and they had to take him to the nearest hospital.

This guy knows the bush. He can call moose really well. We could see signs, the moose would answer him and thrash the trees with its antlers but wouldn't come out. When it got late we started heading back down the trail as we had a long walk back. He called all the way back to the truck but the moose wouldn't come near enough for a shot. This is pretty dense bush (north of Bissett, MB) and it was getting dark. We could hear the moose but not see him and that made us nervous. When we got back to the truck I unload my rifle on the tailgate and then started to unload the rifle I brought a long for him. When I started to unload the 2nd rifle he asked me to wait until he was in and had the other gun stowed and the truck running. When I asked why that's when he told me about the three natives.

He also told me a story about a wolf pack. He was out in the bush and climbed up on a bluff. He heard a wolf howl so he answered back. It responded so he kept it up. Then he started hearing other wolves and soon released there was a pack not far from where he was. He didn't feel safe until he made it down to his truck.
 
I love my .243 I have. It is a Stevens 200 and it is extremely accurate for a budget rifle. I just wish it had a nicer wooden stock, maybe I will upgrade someday if someone knows where one could be found?
 
I'm talking hunting not range shooting - I doubt anyone shoots .243 on the range except to zero. Most of the time you aren't going to feel recoil when you hunt as your caught up in the hunt. It comes into play if you start to think about it, if you have developed a flinch or if you don't hold your rifle properly (but hey if you're doing that you'll miss with a .243 too).

Where the .243 helps is that as it has less recoil, you can carry a lighter gun. Now if you are range shooting or sitting in a stand then a lighter gun may not matter much but I guarantee that if you spend a day stalking that big one you'll appreciate the lighter rifle.

When I want to go big I don't bother with .308 or .303 - I shoot .270WSM and it kicks in a light rifle. But you add a scope, etc and walk with a long barrel in the bush - that rifle starts to get heavy (unless you sling it but that's when the big one shows up).

As to bullet selection - all the deer that I've shot D-E-A-D with my .243 have never said boo about what kind of bullet selection I was using.

BTW I shot C1s and C2s too and don't consider the .308 to be a heavy recoil round at all.

Except that nothing you've said gives 243 any real advantages over 308. 243 rifles weigh exactly as much as 308 rifles, and the only weight savings you will see is 4-5 grams per bullet.

Don't believe me?:
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps.aspx
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=023B&cat_id=035&type_id=208&content=accurate-bolt-action-deer-elk-varmint-big-game-hunting-rifle-firearms
http://www.sako.fi/pdf/specs/85Finnlight.pdf

If you've developed a flinch on larger calibers, chances are you're going to flinch with 243 as well. Using a smaller caliber doesn't compensate for bad shooting habits.

Try a ching sling, or a safari sling: you don't need to adjust them when switching from carry to shoot mode.

Funny you consider 270 a BIG game cartridge, when it has a "whopping" 5% muzzle energy advantage over 308. Oh and because its a long action, the rifle weighs more.

Bullet selection makes a difference when you basically can't find any bullets in 243, or end up having to pay more.
 
Funny my 15 year old Daughter can nicely handle (her's) 8mm mauser, 7.62 x 54R ( m-39 and SVT-40) & 6.5 x 55.
I wonder if all the manly men will need to upgrade to .50 BMG now?
And my daughter is maybe 120lbs.
She isn't a super shot but she gets it done, other than the 6.5 no flinches. That Norma 6.5 x 55 is pretty hot

Is the SVT40 taller than her?
 
243 is a great round - but sooner or later you may find yourself cussing when you lost a bruiser you hit well.....

To me it is all about the margin of effectiveness of the rifle and round you pick. Any bullet can kill a moose or elk for instance - it is a matter of hitting it exactly and waiting.

But if you try the wrong angle or wrong distance - you move outside your margin of effectiveness and you are in trouble.


I have seen a few monster Alberta whitetail drift into the darkest of bush never to be seen again after good, solid hits with a 243 by great hunters. Everything should have worked - but it failed for whatever variable reason.

I want to expand my margins and therefore pick something more robust for the larger critters.

Again, it will kill anything - I own a few- but I choose to arm myself with something that throws more weight.

I agree with this post. I know truckloads of deer are killed every season with the .243, but I've seen more deer lost with the .243 than any other chambering. Not lost by newbies, but by good seasoned hunters.

When I was 15 I killed a doe with a .243. It worked for me then.

But I'd by far rather use a .260 or a 7-08 than a .243 for deer. That's just a personal preference, though.

Like I said, I know it works thousands of times each season, but it's not my cartridge of choice for deer.
 
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