Allowed to carry my shotgun?

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Just wondering what the rules are to carrying a shotgun for wilderness defense, my family and i do a lot of back country hiking/camping, and with attacks on humans becoming more frequent, it would be nice to protect my family. Thanks.
 
However that being said pepper spray is much more effective and a heck of alot cheaper and lighter though nowhere close in cool factor.
 
However that being said pepper spray is much more effective and a heck of alot cheaper and lighter though nowhere close in cool factor.

Not if he already has the shotgun. And since when is pepper spray a bigger deterrent than a 3" shell full of buckshot?
 
However that being said pepper spray is much more effective and a heck of alot cheaper and lighter though nowhere close in cool factor.

while it is lighter, I'll take the extra weight over and angry, semi-blinded bear changing me any day.


At least if theres wind, buckshot isn't going to uh, you know blow back INTO YOUR FACE, leaving you a blinded, blubbering, pants soiled mess, lightly seasoned for a large bear that you know is in the area but just.quite.can't.see.....
 
Good points by all, but studies have shown that pepper spray has been more effective in deterring attacks due it it's uberquick ability to rock and roll and large spray pattern. Many dead hunters have been found with their rifles and shotguns close in hand and and not a round fired due to how quick it happens. It's incredibly hard to hit a full out charging griz with enough power in the right spot to instantly kill it. It may die in a few minutes but not before you're dinner. Also if you are to carry a shotgun, buckshot is by far inferior to slugs out west there have been many bears skinned out with buckshot just under the skin or just barely in the skull (se AO edition May). A big charging bear needs slugs to reliably punch through the thick skull or inches of fat to make a quick clean, safe kill. However that being said many bears have died at much less and in the extreme a 22 short (one of the largest grizz shot in Alberta, turn of the century by Indian lady collecting berries, one shot through the roof of the mouth). I sleep with a shottie in my tent but carry spray. Haven't had to use either yet and hopefully never will. Big weapons are great but can you reliably deploy them in a time of desperate need is another question.
 
Thanks guys, all good advice, i usually just keep the shottie in the trailer and then when we go hiking i grap the bear spray, but figured carrying both would be best, just didnt want to run into a conservation officer and risk getting in trouble.
 
Also, if im hiking in a provincial park im not allowed to carry a rifle, correct?

They are actually re-evaluating that in some specific parks.

Parks Canada is hoping to regulate the use, possession and transportation of firearms in the NWT's three Northernmost national parks, a move officials say will entice more visitors for research and adventure trips.

"The North is really becoming 'top of mind' for Canadians," said Rob Prosper, executive director for Parks Canada.

"We feel that if we increase that sense of security and trust in those types of areas, it's likely to result in increased visitation. It's one of those pieces of the puzzle to increase access to activities in the park."

Parks Canada is overhauling its wild animal regulations in Aulavik National Park, Tuktuk Nogait National Park and Ivvavik National Park - the three parks in the Inuvialuit settlement region with polar bears - and hopes to market the parks, which already face an uphill battle because of how remote they are and how expensive it is for most Canadians to visit.

In 2009 the three parks attracted 87 visitors and 31 researchers. In 2010 there were 95 registered visitors and 54 researchers.

Under the proposed regulations, beneficiary guides will be first in line to receive firearm permits, a move Prosper said respects land claim agreements and secures jobs.

"We feel that this is an economic opportunity for beneficiaries to take advantage of their existing skill set and knowledge in these areas," Prosper said.

"These individuals know their firearms, know the environment and they also know bear behaviour."

The new regulations won't effect beneficiaries' right to harvest and carry firearms, but will simply extend this right to when they are acting as guides in the region's three national parks.

Non-beneficiaries will only be able to obtain a firearm permit in the parks if a beneficiary guide is unavailable.

Between September and December of this year, Parks Canada will be holding consultations with the general public, corporate management boards, wildlife management boards, communities, aboriginal groups, tourism outfitters, hunters and trappers associations and researchers in the region.

Jennifer Lam, resource management co-ordinator for the Inuvialuit game council, said Parks Canada has council's full support.

The regulatory changes come on the heels of interim guidelines established last year, which allow for firearm permits in limited circumstances. So far, seven permits have been issued in the three parks - six to beneficiary guides and one to a non-beneficiary guide.

The research group that obtained a permit for the non-beneficiary guide had to prove they tried and failed to find a beneficiaries guide, according to Ifan Thomas, a Parks Canada field unit supervisor for the Western Arctic.

Thomas emphasis that firearms will still be used as a "safety tool of last resort" in national parks.

Knowing how to safely store food, travel in a group and use pepper spray and bear bangers are things everyone visiting the three parks should be able to do.

Prosper said the revised wildlife regulations will likely come into effect next fall.
 
Great idea, especially with dealing with a species that actively and regularly hunts humans which black bears and grizzlies don't do. Thanx for the info. Firearms definitely have there place in protection but what I'm mainly dealing with is the average Joe is far better off with spray then a shotgun. When you think of having to get your shotgun off your back, take off the safety, point, aim and shoot most guys would be lucky to do it under 20seconds. Pepper spray 3 seconds. However if you're well trained, practice lots going through those procedures ( and against a charging target not a static one) then it might work a bit better. IMO :)
 
The two week old bruise on my shoulder from firing 5 consecutive 3" magnum rifled 1.25oz slugs is all the convincing I need on what is most effective in wilderness defence! :)
(thankfully it was at a paper target)
 
They are actually re-evaluating that in some specific parks.

But :
The new regulations won't effect beneficiaries' right to harvest and carry firearms, but will simply extend this right to when they are acting as guides in the region's three national parks.

Non-beneficiaries will only be able to obtain a firearm permit in the parks if a beneficiary guide is unavailable.

Between September and December of this year, Parks Canada will be holding consultations with the general public, corporate management boards, wildlife management boards, communities, aboriginal groups, tourism outfitters, hunters and trappers associations and researchers in the region.

Jennifer Lam, resource management co-ordinator for the Inuvialuit game council, said Parks Canada has council's full support.

The regulatory changes come on the heels of interim guidelines established last year, which allow for firearm permits in limited circumstances. So far, seven permits have been issued in the three parks - six to beneficiary guides and one to a non-beneficiary guide.

The research group that obtained a permit for the non-beneficiary guide had to prove they tried and failed to find a beneficiaries guide, according to Ifan Thomas, a Parks Canada field unit supervisor for the Western Arctic.

Thomas emphasis that firearms will still be used as a "safety tool of last resort" in national parks.

uh, doubting this will be for regular joes camping in parks.
 
Re: Bearspray

Timesink, I hate to seem argumentative but the only "studies" I have seen that claim spray is always better than lead are ones from spray manufacturers and government groups. The spray makers want you to buy their product and the government departments care more about the bears than about you.

That said, spray is better than nothing, if firearms are not available or legal.
In a perfect world the happy outdoorsman is armed with firearm, spray and bear knowledge.
 
IMO a good firearm in the hands of a competent handler is by superior, my only point is I don't think 1/2 of the guys carrying shotties could actually use them effectively given the stress, time and moving target involved. Whereas as spray is more easily brought into effective use. But good point on the stats bawnogue they are easily skewed.
 
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