Canadian Ranger .303?

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What does the CF typically do with firearms when they are upgraded/retired? As an example, the old .303 Enfields used by the Rangers? Don't know much about it/them, just read something about their gear being upgraded.

I'm not particularly interested in getting one of them, just curious. My knowledge of the Canadian Rangers goes no further than what wikipedia just told me, so forgive me if this is a stupid question.
 
I tried to get a C#7 Enfield .22 from the cadets when they scrapped the .22 program it didn't go so well no way anyone one will be able to get these pieces of history the @#$$%^&^$%^^% will distroy them
 
Pimpley Bum said:
Pretty sure they get destroyed. The old C1's where melted down IIRC.

Personally I think the government should just gift them to the Rangers.
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Clarify that for ya. C1's & C2's SMG's put into war stocks.... The cost to maintain these was in he neighborhood hood of $14K to $20K per year.

Someone got the idea to save that money, while complying with UN's disarm the free world plan for other subversive countries to take us over.

So we saved $14 - $20 K per year to have then melted down. (probably cost 3x that to melt them down)

1L series was 10,000 rifles = 80,000 C1's @ a mid 1980's cost to replace $1000 = $80 million worth of assets to save $14,000 - $20,000.

I could not tell you how many C2's or SMG's were in the stores. I remember when I was in EME, we were told that Canada still had thousands of Hi Powers still in grease, I can't remember just how many.
 
Pblatzz said:
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I remember when I was in EME, we were told that Canada still had thousands of Hi Powers still in grease, I can't remember just how many.
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Many of those Brownings were removed from stores and issued in Afghanistan. Lots of effort has been invested in the handgun inventory since we got into a shooting war. New magazines. New barrels. Tired guns returned to stores. New Old Stock guns issued out. I don't know whether we will keep them in general service. The aircrew, Navy and SF have their SIGs; the Army might just have to keep the Brownings for a while more.
 
deadman said:
So, if they do collect them all, what are they replacing them with?
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just caught the tail end of a cbc story on the rangers and the old No 4 Enfields. The reporter said they were to be replaced with a 308 in winchester caliber. Whatever that means?
Its a shame what chretien and the liberals did with the stores of Enfields. They should all be boiled in oil as my old mother says.
 
Pblatzz said:
Clarify that for ya. C1's & C2's SMG's put into war stocks.... The cost to maintain these was in he neighborhood hood of $14K to $20K per year.

Someone got the idea to save that money, while complying with UN's disarm the free world plan for other subversive countries to take us over.

So we saved $14 - $20 K per year to have then melted down. (probably cost 3x that to melt them down)

1L series was 10,000 rifles = 80,000 C1's @ a mid 1980's cost to replace $1000 = $80 million worth of assets to save $14,000 - $20,000.

I could not tell you how many C2's or SMG's were in the stores. I remember when I was in EME, we were told that Canada still had thousands of Hi Powers still in grease, I can't remember just how many.
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The Sterling SMG was great, had one when I was in the QOR. I guess mine got melted:mad: Maybe some of those SMGs made it into the Star Wars movies?:D
 
old hound said:
just caught the tail end of a cbc story on the rangers and the old No 4 Enfields. The reporter said they were to be replaced with a 308 in winchester caliber. Whatever that means?
Its a shame what chretien and the liberals did with the stores of Enfields. They should all be boiled in oil as my old mother says.
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It means the reporter didn't really understand what he was told, but it felt cool to be talking about guns to an audience that he thought knew less than he does.
 
Most of the No 4 are in rough shape, In the past I have fixed them up for the rangers, The newer ones are the Fazakerley version with ser starting with PF, If you want A No 4 that is like a Canadian ranger rifle, go with a long branch version or a Fazakerley
No4 Mk1* I have heard nothing about the new ranger rifle other than it should be 308 win(7.62 NATO) and bolt action.
 
In the Canadian Forces Supply manual there is section on disposal of small arms and their parts. Small arms that are condemned or no longer needed are to be sent to the smelter. The section even details the makeup of the smelter party. Parts can be mutilated at the unit level and disposed of as scrap.

There was still an exception to this that remained in the manuals back in 1999: Brens and stens were to be held for 30 days to see if a buyer could be found for them. The manual has since been updated and that provision removed.

Wrt the question about how many C1 SMGs remained in stock, the number was around 24,000 (out of a production run of approx 30,000). 300 of each type of small arm were kept for museum and study purposes. I think the number of C1 SMGs remaining in depot was around 170 last time I checked.
 
Perhaps a better question is what will happen to the ammunition for those rifles - the stuff held at supply will probably be demilled, but the stuff that's been issued, has been issued and if I'm not mistaken, issued ammunition and explosives cannot be returned - and must be consumed. That was the case a few years ago when a Ranger Patrol was closed down.
 
Hi All,

To answer deadman's question about what the Canadian Rangers will be using next?

I've heard from a co-worker whose uncle is an armourer for the Canadian Rangers that Mossburg is designing a new modern bolt-action rifle based on the .303 British cartridge.

That's all I know of for now. I haven't heard from anyone else to confirm this. I would admit this would be very interesting to see what it will look like when it comes out and gets put into service.
 
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