Best Canadian Legal Battle Rifle?

Best Canadian Legal Battle Rifle?

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First of all I don't pretend to know anything, I am asking you what YOUR opinion is. The following is what I've come up with but you guys are the experts not me if I was an expert I wouldn't be asking you.

I would appreciate if we didn't start discussing/arguing about what makes a good battle rifle and what doesn't. This isn't a 7.62 vs 5.56 argument either so leave that out. Please just list the name(s) of the rifle and the pros and cons as you see them.

-regardless of price, lets not evaluate based on price imagine you got to take 1 Canadian legal rifle to another planet to protect your life (I don't think you'd be concerned with price)

For me the main criteria for a Battle Rifle are as follows:

-reliable
-accurate
-light weight
-knockdown power
-low recoil
-optics/bipod/etc possible
-close range to mid range

Points go to rifles that can use 10 round pistol mags legally, if anyone knows which of the following can use 10 round mags please chime in

Based on some research I've come up with the following contenders:

-LRB M25 Tanker, in Vltor (or carbon fiber stock), sorry sage guys I think its just too heavy

pros: reliable, tested, very accurate, powerful
cons: heavy, relatively strong recoil (I think), ([grip, optics difficult to mount] less of a con due to build)

-Valmet M78

pros: reliable, AK action, relatively accurate (supposedly more so than standard AK), powerful
cons: heavy, replacement parts must be difficult to find, all are used, optics difficult to mount (I think), ridiculously expensive (I know I said regardless of price but this one is out to lunch due to rarity)

-Keltec Rfb

pros: short length, supposedly accurate, powerful, rail
cons: untested, a bit heavy but I think makes up for it because the weight is close to the body, keltec has a bad name supposedly (reputation is very important)

I am still unsure of reliability (can someone help me out) also unsure of accuracy

-Swiss Arms PE90

pros: reliable, accurate, low recoil
cons: not powerful

-Robinson Armament XCR

pros: folding stock, rail, powerful, can use 10 round mag
cons: not reliable
 
Um, methinks in order to qualify as a "battle rifle", it must be in the .30 class, and designed to engage to 500 yards or so.

Poodle shooters in .22 centrefire don't count, as they were designed for close contact, high-volume fire.

Please correct me if I'm wrong...
 
nelly said:
Um, methinks in order to qualify as a "battle rifle", it must be in the .30 class, and designed to engage to 500 yards or so.

Poodle shooters in .22 centrefire don't count, as they were designed for close contact, high-volume fire.

Please correct me if I'm wrong...
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a battle rifle turns cover into concealment. and can do so from a good distance (+300 yards)
 
According to Wiki...a battle rifle fires a full power cartridge...therefore, I picked the M14 in a Sage kit. I couldn't go for the RFB as it's not a proven military design (hence you should have one of each lest a certain appendage falls off :D).
 
Why would you say XCR is not reliable?, is this based on hearsay? or you have some type of actual knowledge on the subjekt.
Poll is r-tarded( I will not vote), I only see two "battle rifles" m1a and m14 the rest are NOT.
Fail poll fails.lol.
 
JAGDMORDER I guess you didn't read my first post. Let me copy and paste here again for you.

"First of all I don't pretend to know anything, I am asking you what YOUR opinion is. The following is what I've come up with but you guys are the experts not me if I was an expert I wouldn't be asking you."

I am not saying that XCR is unreliable as a FACT, that's what I've been led to believe based on my research and I am on here to be corrected. I am the first to admit I have no knowledge of this rifle and I would love to hear from people who have experience with it (hence why I'm posting here). I'd love to buy the XCR if it indeed reliable. I have never shot one I have just done some research on it.

If there are only 2 battle rifles on there that you see then please let me know your choices!. I can gladly remove the poll if its ridiculous. I'm trying to figure out the best battle rifles "CANADIAN LEGAL". You didn't add anything useful to this post except for make fun of me and let me tell you how much my feelings are hurt.

I don't understand why there always has to be someone that says 'oh you're an idiot'.

I'm not sure what makes you think an M78 is not a battle rifle but I REALLY don't want to shift this post to become an argument. I'm just looking for some help and I can't wait to hear the "Canadian Legal Battle Rifle" choices of an obvious expert on the subject. I'm not talking about the most influential or anything like that. If today you had to go to another planet and bring 1 Canadian Legal Battle Rifle, what would it be and why (with pros and cons)
 
rkungl said:
I don't understand why there always has to be someone that says 'oh you're an idiot'.
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My own opinion is that, in the real world, the best gun is whichever one you're most competent with. Discussion of what's the "best" gun in ###XX class is an activity best left to Call of Duty forums.
 
Always like the M14 series for versatility.

Just liked the looks of the bloody things.

It can do lots of jobs that soldiers need to do under unpredictable, unforeseen circumstances and situations.

Effective, dependable, accurate, easy to use and maintain and is a robust military platform over a wide spectrum of uses, conditions and ranges.

Choice of weapon (best tool for the job) depends on what kind of soldier (infantry, sniper, whatever) you are, your assignment and objectives and where and when you are deployed. Are you going to be traveling on foot a lot or mostly dug in waiting for targets of opportunity.
 
SCAR is not canadian legal to my knowledge

I'm not a huge bolt action fan unless I'm hunting (I agree its one of the best battle rifles in history though) just not as practical as a modern battle rifle (my own opinion)

M1 Garand a bit too much power for a modern battle rifle (again my own opinion) (but the fact that you get more bullets is a plus for sure).

I guess its coming back to M14. Does the M14 have an 10 round compatible mags that are Canadian Legal?

I agree that it depends on what you're doing I was thinking more general purpose infantry from close to mid range say 0-500

I agree the M1 Garand should be on the list FOR SURE and i'm sure a lot of people would take it as their first choice, but what about bolt action, would anyone choose that as first choice for a battle rifle as compared to any other modern canadian legal battle rifle?
 
I guess M14 is head a shoulders above the others in the poll but i did leave M1 Garand and Lee Enfield off. Is there any other significant contenders that I omitted?

I am really interested in XCM and RFB can someone chime in that chose one of those as their favorite?
 
Battle Rifle ? I'll play. IMHO, out of your list, an M14/ M14 variant would be best suited as a Battle Rifle - reliable, easy to operate and maintain, reasonably accurate, packs a 7.62mm punch for medium to long ranges and is versatile for most applications with the plethora of variants available. The SAGE stock is my pick of the litter as it really modernizes the platform and allows you to add jewellery if your needs so require. The weight isn't too bad: it's not poodle shooter light by any means, but my personal opinion is that a 7.62mm caliber firearm should have a minimum weight of 7.5-9.5 lbs to sufficiently and effectively dampen recoil. Along with the inline stock, it really makes the M14 a tame beast and beautifully controllable for fast bursts.

The RFB and XCR-M are very interesting platforms as well, and it saddens me to see that you've been misinformed about their reliability. They may not be "battle proven" - but are good platforms based on sound systems.

The AR-15, Sig 550, XCR, Cz-58 et all, I would consider to be Assault Rifles - light select fire carbines with an intermediate cartridge for short to medium distance engagements, with detachable magazines and capable of a high rate of fire. Some are more refined and reliable than others, but they all fulfill the same task. For their intended applications however, they far surpass Battle Rifes and are a lot more manageable and hence their popularity.

The Valment M78 is an LMG - an infantry support weapon deployed to lay down a very high volume of sustained fire and hence designed accordingly. I wouldn't necessarily consider this well suited as a Battle Rifle simply due to size and weight.

If I were allowed to pick any rifle (including those not on your list) - my vote goes to the venerable duo of the FN FAL and the H&K G3. They have proven their worth for decades and are still modern and relevant enough for today's battlefield.

A fun exercise! I would love to hear some arguments for Milsurps as a Battle Rifle especially given the dynamics of today's wars. In my mind, anyone who goes into battle with a bolt action rifle has instant Baller status :p
 
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