Lollll unless your trained by blackwater I dont think full auto is going to help! Maybe burst but why shoot off so many, be outta ammo before you know it!
one shotone kill is the key!!
Most Similar Non-Restricted to AR-15?
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Lollll unless your trained by blackwater I dont think full auto is going to help! Maybe burst but why shoot off so many, be outta ammo before you know it!
one shotone kill is the key!!You are "nuttier than a fruitcake". Haven't video games taught you anything, you start with bare hands then work your way up to the lead pipe,and maybe from there you can pick up a firearm...
Come on now, this is a serious discussion, we don't have time to talk about silly video games. We are grown men trying to prepare for the inevitable.
Unless you can hit nothing but brain at FULL AUTO, than you are just wasting ammo.
Good point, you have to make sure you hit the brain or else you will be standing there with empty magazines trying to hit the zombies with the stock of your rifle instead.
OldFrankHog
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I'm still trying to decide between a pry-bar and a shovel for 1 vs. 1...
If you buy a Delorean and a working Flux Capacitor off eBay, and get the car up to 88 miles an hour, you could hit the late 80's and just buy a non-restricted AR-15 with your $10 FAC. (ah the good old days....)
Fantasy of time travel aside, if your purchasing an AR-15 style carbine for training purposes I'll assume that your going to be working with an AR platform as well. That said, what is the purpose of it being non-restricted? If your going to the range to practice techniques to save your bacon when involved in a ballistic event, then the status of the rifle shouldn't matter as much as how closely it would replicate what you'd be using, um... at work so to speak.
For myself, the Non-Restricted "Black Rifles" I have are used for hunting and plinking. All of them are quite dissimilar to my "working guns", but the core techniques I employ are the same regardless of the platform I'm using.
Good luck in your quest.
M
Thank you sir, by the way, something sort of funny. I just happen to be wearing a silly t-shirt my girl got me which has a pictures of a "Flux Capacitor + a Delorean + 88mps = The Future" written in back to the future font. Funny coincidence.
So getting back on track here, as this is a very serious and valid question...
It seems it comes down to the AR180, Swiss arms, XCR, or the ACR...
But which one would be best for both tactical tasking and bear defense?
It seems it comes down to the AR180, Swiss arms, XCR, or the ACR...
But which one would be best for both tactical tasking and bear defense?
If you're training to shoot an AR, I would strongly suggest getting your RPAL and an AR. There's not much point in using a sidecocking rifle like the XCR to practise IA drills that you'll perform on the AR, the XCR is the closest for other controls but nowhere near for what counts. Besides, for the cost difference between a good quality AR and the XCR, you could take the restricted course, join a gun club and probably get a basic reloading set up.
I've either owned or have shot extensively AR15s, Swiss Arms Green Rifles and XCR.
I currently own an XCR because I want a customizable non-restricted "AR15 feeling" rifle (owning a restricted weapon is a pain in the neck where I live).
Alex
- The best rifle is the Swiss Arms Green Rifle if don't want to customize it or use 10 rounds AR pistol mags and like to use iron sights.
- The best non-restricted rifle similar to an AR15 is the XCR, as it takes the same accessoiries (grips, sights, stocks), has a almost identical safety lever and feels like a (heavy barreled) AR15.
- Of course the best restricted rifle similar to an an AR15 is an AR15!
I currently own an XCR because I want a customizable non-restricted "AR15 feeling" rifle (owning a restricted weapon is a pain in the neck where I live).
Alex
I have been thinking about the Swiss Arms for a long time, I think I might have to just go ahead and get one. I have never shot one but they sound great and definitely right up my alley. The price was the only thing which kept me away in the past.
I can see what you are saying about the XCR, as far as my original post question goes, I think it seems like the best choice.
Your reasons for having the XCR sounds very similar to my own thoughts and why I originally made this post, all kidding about Zombie invasions aside.
Bolivar
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My thought is that you should just get the rifle you want. Don't worry about how close it is to an AR since you don't want one.
Then just simply get used to the rifle you have, shoot it, love it. Drill with it if you like. If the Zombies come, use YOUR rifle. Don't worry about pickup guns from dead friends. Fight to win
Then just simply get used to the rifle you have, shoot it, love it. Drill with it if you like. If the Zombies come, use YOUR rifle. Don't worry about pickup guns from dead friends. Fight to win
Ar180shooter
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The Swiss Arms rifles are great, but are not ergonomically similar to the AR (at least with the factory lower, I haven't tried one of the NEA lowers). If you want a non-restricted rifle for training purposes, go with an XCR or ACR. The reason I don't include the AR-180b is the lack of bolt release, although otherwise the ergonomics are quite similar to the AR-15.
As for getting an AR-180b, new isn't an option, they haven't made it for years. I know because I bought one of the last ones that came into the country before it was discontinued. Your only option is to try to find a reasonably priced one in the EE.
Lollll unless your trained by blackwater I dont think full auto is going to help! Maybe burst but why shoot off so many, be outta ammo before you know it!
You're just as nutty as the guy you're talking too.
Blackwater LMAO
"If you buy a Delorean and a working Flux Capacitor off eBay, and get the car up to 88 miles an hour, you could hit the late 80's and just buy a non-restricted AR-15 with your $10 FAC. (ah the good old days....)"
I spit my morning coffee when I read that thanks Stormtrooper that was friggin funny...
I spit my morning coffee when I read that thanks Stormtrooper that was friggin funny...
You'll never be disappointed with a Swiss Arms but you get annoyed at high prices of magazines, scope mounts, etc.
I see only 2 issues with this rifle: expensive 5 shot magazines (AR15 can use 40$ 10 round AR pistol magazines) and a point of impact which changes when you use the bipod (the barrel is great but not free floating).
Around 15 years ago, I shot with Montreal Swiss Rifle Club and 3 or 4 times a year a shooter would shoot 100% on the Swiss millitary qualification target.
These rifle can put 10 shot in a 3" x 3" area at 300m with open sights.
If you have the money and like to use the "Slight of Hand" perk, you might want to consider getting one.
Alex
