blaxsun
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Myself I've yet to use the forward assist, but since most AR15's have them not much you can do about it. Ones without it are sleeker and lighter, though.
AR upper with no forward assist
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Myself I've yet to use the forward assist, but since most AR15's have them not much you can do about it. Ones without it are sleeker and lighter, though.
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- victoria bc
In the CF, you are taught to use the forward assist everytime you close the bolt...
It is not forcing the round in the chamber, but making sure the BCG is properly forward, sometime that is all that is needed, it works and can save you a second from doing unnecessary stoppage drills. It worked for me in that circumstance.So it does have it's uses, some times the BCG needs a little assistance going forward.Why extract a round for know reason that is by all means perfectly fine?
Basically having it is no big deal.For a sport shooter like your self it is not really necessary..
Why risk forcing a round into a possibly obstructed chamber, or forcing a disfigured round into the chamber when cycling it out is just as fast and 100% positive? If the BCG didn't close all the way, you rode the charge handle, the recoil spring is in desperate need of replacement, or there is indeed a bigger issue that the FA will not solve.
Again, what the CF and many other services teach about the FA(and the AR FOW in general) is wrong.
TDC
Honestly, who gives a flying goat ####?
It's like the dust cover...does it really work? For all civy users it's superfluous, and for mil. It's just another thing to add (or forget) to the IA.
As far as I know it's all left over from the original design- if it ain't broke why #### with it?... Especially if it means an increase of 100% in cost of the upper
It's like the dust cover...does it really work? For all civy users it's superfluous, and for mil. It's just another thing to add (or forget) to the IA.
As far as I know it's all left over from the original design- if it ain't broke why #### with it?... Especially if it means an increase of 100% in cost of the upper
Build up of carbon or other minor foreign material in the chamber and assumed properly sized ammo. Was never meant to be used with ammo that was n/s or otherwise ####ed up. That you should be catching when you're loading mags...
As far as I know it's all left over from the original design- if it ain't broke why f**k with it?... Especially if it means an increase of 100% in cost of the upper
It was an "improvement" added to the M16A1, IIRC.
now, now, we all know the super secret mall ninja fraternity has approved the pointless bashing of the forward assist, as an effective way to make yourself look even more high speed and even lower drag. You can't fool us. It's also a great way to decrease your splits and improve your accuracy to under 1/3 minute at any distance
hahaha!!!
Stoner was adamantly against adding the forward assist onto his design, but the US military, in all their wisdom, insisted. The problem with the forward assist is two fold. One has been mentioned that forcing a round into the chamber is a bad idea. The second is that when using the forward assist, there are some who STRIKE the forward assist. It is meant to be pushed, not struck, and if done repeatedly, will cause the small fragile parts that make up the forward assist to break and render the firearm useless until an armourer can get to it.
I know of no of no other rifle with a device specifically made as a forward assist (other than the defunct MSAR) other than AR15 designed firearms. Using the bolt handle as a forward assist (ala AK47 or M14) to force a round in has been known to touch off the round, causing injury to the shooter.
As others have said, the forward assist is not a useful part of the AR15 design.
Gunnerlove
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The only time I use the forward assist is when closing the bolt after a press check. I know the thoughts on pulling the mag but I am not pulling a feeding mag.
I am literally trying to beat the constant use of the forward assist out of my guys and most are learning but some seem to be liking the abuse. "But on BMQ.........."
I am literally trying to beat the constant use of the forward assist out of my guys and most are learning but some seem to be liking the abuse. "But on BMQ.........."
It's pretty useless. It can also make a situation worse when you tap something that just won't go in and jam 'er up really well.
Besides, even it it were effective in that 0.1% of situations, would you want to waste time training with it if it means adding time and complexity to your other manual of arms skills?
Besides, even it it were effective in that 0.1% of situations, would you want to waste time training with it if it means adding time and complexity to your other manual of arms skills?
It's going to take quite a while to stop the practice since it has been taught for over 25 years and refuses to die. Cdn manuals don't get re-written often and are read even less.
As anther poster said it started off (and still states in the manual) as a push on the FA with the thumb, but you see guys mashing it with their palm.
You are just not reading what I'm telling you...there is no risk, when canting your rifle slightly to the left you will see what the problem is....Basically if the BCG is over 70% forward and the round is properly seated on the Bolt face ready to go into the chamber or is really half way in the chamber... then all it takes is pressing the FA. Most of the time the BCG will have extracted the previously fired shot and will grind to a stop when loading the new round.if it doesn't work probably best to just drop the mag and clear the weapon entirely. This really the only time I would use the forward assist, keep in mind if oil and cleaning was not available because of a high stress/war zone type situation striking the FA is no big deal.. In actuality the FA has little use in most situations, but i have come across using it for times I already have mentioned in previous posts.
Agreed with Leibermuster. An FA is not required for civies who clean thier rifles after each range practise. Combats a different story and the reason the FA was eventually added to the M16 design.
The American Army needed the FA due to carbon foulling and corrosion during the Vietnam war. A lot of rounds can go down range before you get a chance to clean the rifle and all that foulling can and will eventually gum up the works a bit not allowing the bolt to go forward fully into battery. Changing a magazine isn't the answer in these situations and the rounds will just continue to have the same problem. A proper field strip and cleaning would help.....just to bad the enemy doesn't like giving people the time to do such things and there is no such thing as a Time Out or Do Over.
"We left with 72 men in our platoon and came back with 19, Believe it or not, you know what killed most of us? Our own rifle. Practically every one of our dead was found with his [M16] torn down next to him where he had been trying to fix it."
- Marine Corps Rifleman, Vietnam.
We all know the M16 isn't the self cleaning rifle it was originally designed to be and for most situations a FA isn't required...but there is time when it is and your glad it's there.
Cheers
The American Army needed the FA due to carbon foulling and corrosion during the Vietnam war. A lot of rounds can go down range before you get a chance to clean the rifle and all that foulling can and will eventually gum up the works a bit not allowing the bolt to go forward fully into battery. Changing a magazine isn't the answer in these situations and the rounds will just continue to have the same problem. A proper field strip and cleaning would help.....just to bad the enemy doesn't like giving people the time to do such things and there is no such thing as a Time Out or Do Over.
"We left with 72 men in our platoon and came back with 19, Believe it or not, you know what killed most of us? Our own rifle. Practically every one of our dead was found with his [M16] torn down next to him where he had been trying to fix it."
- Marine Corps Rifleman, Vietnam.
We all know the M16 isn't the self cleaning rifle it was originally designed to be and for most situations a FA isn't required...but there is time when it is and your glad it's there.
Cheers
Lee Enfield
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The Isreali FAL is closely based on the British X8E1 FAL trials rifles. The funky selector and FA charging handle layout are straight from the (abandoned) X8 series.
red magnum
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Wrong Way
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LOL....x2
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- victoria bc
sure, if your rifle is used for fun a FA is not needed, but if your life depends on sending rounds down range in any and all conditions, i'd want a FA...
