Guess the bullet that was responsible for this ... ..
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45 cal. 250 gr Hornady XTP. with a sabot to bring it up to 50 cal. for your muzzle loader........ I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you have a Savage smokless ML.....
Just a guess as I don't think the rifle season is open for anywhere for Witetailed deer right now.......
Cheers!
Just a guess as I don't think the rifle season is open for anywhere for Witetailed deer right now.......
Cheers!The general WT deer season has been open in BC since Sept 10. Notsorichguy, you need to get out more often.
When a highly frangible bullet comes into contact with a rib, especially at higher velocities, it does a lot of damage. Those littel pieces each take a bit of impact pressure with them. In some cases, especially with heavier bullets, they will cause the rib to bend and tear the muscles around it when they are first hit.
I was looking for the video is saw that was done on bullet impacts on beef/sheep/goat ribs with high speed cameras. They did tests with everything from solids to extremely frangible hollow point lead tipped bullets at different velocities. I couldn't find it. I know it's out there, I just don't emember where to look for it.
When a highly frangible bullet comes into contact with a rib, especially at higher velocities, it does a lot of damage. Those littel pieces each take a bit of impact pressure with them. In some cases, especially with heavier bullets, they will cause the rib to bend and tear the muscles around it when they are first hit.
I was looking for the video is saw that was done on bullet impacts on beef/sheep/goat ribs with high speed cameras. They did tests with everything from solids to extremely frangible hollow point lead tipped bullets at different velocities. I couldn't find it. I know it's out there, I just don't emember where to look for it.
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I don't think you would be asking us to guess if it was an obvious highly frangible bullet, have seen that many times. I gonna guess a TSX as I have seen something similar with a 150g TSX.
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It was a "tough" bullet, a Nosler Accubond.
The surprising thing is that it was a 110 grain .25 cal launched at a very modest 2550 fps out of my short-barreled Ruger 77 RSI 250 Savage.
I am really not impressed with the way these bullets "pancake" on contact. Since they were released I have really tried these bullets out on game taking animals using 4 different cartridges - 338-06, 300 WSM, .270 Win , and lastly 2 deer with the 250 Savage. In all 11 or 12 deer & bear taken with the Accubond and all have shown extensive blood-shot at the entry. The young black bear that Sniper58 mentioned was unbelievable. The entry through the shoulder was big enough that I was able to put my entire fist into hole. I also shot a couger with a 165 AB out of my 300 WSM. The entry was on the front shoulder and the entire front half of the cat was destroyed while the bullet - or what was left of it - failed to exit.
The good thing is that if you keep the bullet on the ribs not a lot of meat is really wasted. Also, none of the animals shot by me have gone more than 30 or 40 yards after the shot. I would really caution about taking a shot other than broadside or slight quartering as I shudder to think what could happen if one of these bullets hit any "eating" meat.
It was a "tough" bullet, a Nosler Accubond.
The surprising thing is that it was a 110 grain .25 cal launched at a very modest 2550 fps out of my short-barreled Ruger 77 RSI 250 Savage.
I am really not impressed with the way these bullets "pancake" on contact. Since they were released I have really tried these bullets out on game taking animals using 4 different cartridges - 338-06, 300 WSM, .270 Win , and lastly 2 deer with the 250 Savage. In all 11 or 12 deer & bear taken with the Accubond and all have shown extensive blood-shot at the entry. The young black bear that Sniper58 mentioned was unbelievable. The entry through the shoulder was big enough that I was able to put my entire fist into hole. I also shot a couger with a 165 AB out of my 300 WSM. The entry was on the front shoulder and the entire front half of the cat was destroyed while the bullet - or what was left of it - failed to exit.
The good thing is that if you keep the bullet on the ribs not a lot of meat is really wasted. Also, none of the animals shot by me have gone more than 30 or 40 yards after the shot. I would really caution about taking a shot other than broadside or slight quartering as I shudder to think what could happen if one of these bullets hit any "eating" meat.
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Reports like this and the study I have seen about lead in ground meat etc has significantly contributed to my wife and I only using tsx/ttsx bullets. The bloodshot is a result of the lead particles causing blunt trauma as they shed from the bullet (imo anyways) and none of the animals I have shot with tsx/ttsx have had any where near as much blood shot meat. They had very little in fact. Any bullet that violently fragments, pancakes, expands etc and sheds a bunch of lead in doing so will do this to animals. The tsx doesn't do any of that which is why I like them so much. Put a 100gr tsx in your 250 instead of that accubomb and you wouldn't have all that bloodshot meat.
Everyone may do as they please, and this is just my .02.
Everyone may do as they please, and this is just my .02.
Not sure that's true.
I have seen lots of bloodshot meat where there was no fragmentation.
It's generally a product of velocity.
The least bloodshot animals I have seen generally come from a 38-55 or lower powered 45-70 type rounds.
I have seen lots of bloodshot meat where there was no fragmentation.
It's generally a product of velocity.
The least bloodshot animals I have seen generally come from a 38-55 or lower powered 45-70 type rounds.
I agree with Senior on this one.
I shot a smallish muley with my 270 and a 130 grain TSX.
It was bloodshot at least as badly as the OP's picture shows.
I shot a very large Whitetail with my 38-55 and a 255 grain FNSP.
Could have eaten right up to the bullet hole.
Eagleye.
Might simply be hydrostatic shock
I'm not 100% sure but what is being discussed is "hydrostatic shock" and occurs at impacts velocity of 2300fps and above.
It's a huge killer and make high velocity cartridges so effective (think 270 Win 130gr 3100fps or 22-250 55gr at 3800fps).
Low velocity cartridges kill by trauma much like an arrow does.
Alex
I'm not 100% sure but what is being discussed is "hydrostatic shock" and occurs at impacts velocity of 2300fps and above.
It's a huge killer and make high velocity cartridges so effective (think 270 Win 130gr 3100fps or 22-250 55gr at 3800fps).
Low velocity cartridges kill by trauma much like an arrow does.
Alex
I posted what is below in Oct 2009. Since then I've shot one more moose with the 200 NAB. Nothing has changed for me:
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I'm very much sold on the Nosler Accubond. Accurate, tough and high BC.
The 165 grain NAB pictured below was recovered under the skin of a large Moose after it penetrated both shoulders in Sept 2008.
The shot was at 30 yards with a 300 RUM at over 3500 fps muzzle vel. There was very little meat damage. Retained about 65% of it's weight if I recall correctly. No need to use partitions when Accubonds will do this IMO.
This year I used 200 grain NABs and shot a Moose at about 120 Yards. All three shots were complete pass throughs with loony sized exit wounds.
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I'm very much sold on the Nosler Accubond. Accurate, tough and high BC.
The 165 grain NAB pictured below was recovered under the skin of a large Moose after it penetrated both shoulders in Sept 2008.
The shot was at 30 yards with a 300 RUM at over 3500 fps muzzle vel. There was very little meat damage. Retained about 65% of it's weight if I recall correctly. No need to use partitions when Accubonds will do this IMO.
This year I used 200 grain NABs and shot a Moose at about 120 Yards. All three shots were complete pass throughs with loony sized exit wounds.
