NEA-15 - Who's Doing A Torture Test?

Is it wrong that this excites me?
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Oh its exciting all right but not for the reasons you think.

It is actually quite dangerous getting a can that hot. You start running the risk the outer tube will rupture and throw jagged chunks of superheated metal at you. As well the overheated barrel causes bullets to fall apart inside the bore which can result in baffle strikes which can also result in the suppressor coming apart at the seams. Having blown up a few cans in my time, I can say it is not exciting in a good way but it does get the heart rate up some.

All in all it is not something I am happy playing with as I really don't like the idea of picking shards of metal out of my face.
 
Dude in G.P. said:
As for NEA, due to the undetermined delay of their Enhanced Carbine, i have chosen to cancel my order. When the enhanced is out and proven, i look forward to buying one.
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.. It's a very much determined delay, and oft stated here. We only mentioned the enhanced rifles once as a future option. People seem to have taken that an ran with it as an immediate availability. We keep stating that there are no plans to release it until next year. It's only one of about 2 dozen new projects in various stages in the shop... And it won't be the first out, nor is our first priority.

We need to make sure that we can provide the standard rifles in sufficient quality and quantity before we release another.

They may never come. We are not able to confirm. We may just take a year and cruise.
 
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rivetc78 said:
I guess it helps if you know who these people are.
But to me...and I would surmise most people, these are just another bunch of guys with an opinion.
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Hi rivet,

You are wise to form your own opinion regarding any particular firearm and any particular instructor. Only a fool would buy something based on the opinion of anyone on any forum. If I was buying a product, I'd get as many opinions as I could!

However, I do have alot of experience with various pistols, assault rifles and sub-guns due to my roles in policing and nuclear security as well as having been a specialized trainer in firearms, use of force and tactics. I have over 18 years of experience in product selection, testing and training spanning from clothing systems to belt systems, to pistols, rifles, subguns, shotguns, holsters, handcuffs, pouches, armour carriers, armour, weapons mounts, optics, flashlights, night vision equipment, etc. I've run guns until they failed, I've torture tested many rifles and pistols and I know what works and what doesn't.

That being said, I've never stopped learning and I don't ever want to. I'm not a know-it-all and I have learned tips and tricks from people I never thought I would. I learn something on every course I teach whether it's something about how people learn or new skills or things about equipment issues. I have also been fortunate to have trained with and been trained by some pretty high speed users too. In fact, I will admit that my long range rifle skills suck at present so I would never offer any opinion on long range rifles or shooting them. I am planning on attending courses with Milcun and a couple of specialized instructors in order to gain knowledge but I don't think long range will ever be my area of expertise. I defer to guys like Hungry, Andy and others for that!

Many members of this forum have attended training with me and I've been on training with a few of them too. I've also shot competitively with many of the folks here too. Those folks will tell you that I might know a bit about what works.

I have been wrong too... well I was this one time... I thought I was wrong but it turned out I was right! (Just kidding).:redface: I am man enough to admit when I'm wrong and product endorsements or free goodies don't mean I automatically think something is good or should receive a passing grade.

I've waded into this particular debate because I've spoken extensively with the guys at NEA about their product, I've shot the NEA rifle, handled it, and scrutnized it. So far, I like it but, I have not run it hard yet and my opinion could change. I will be giving it a thorough but reasonable test that would be in line with testing that a police tactical unit would do.

I figure that a gun should be reliable, accurate, durable and user friendly. NEA guns are going to be in use with police and military units in other countries and I would not want to endorse an unreliable product that could end up in a police officer's or soldier's hands when their life is on the line.

As to not having my own.... I don't own a G36, C8 or an MP5 either but I've shot thousands of rounds out of them.

If anyone would like to discuss my credibility or knowledge, please PM me and we can discuss in a mature and friendly manner.

I don't like your insinuation that I smoke drugs though, I never have and never will. :mad:
 
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By undetermined, I mean to say that no release date, or commitment to produce an "enhanced" model has been given. Potaytoes - Pohtahtoes - whatever - the Enhanced is not available at this time.

I do think NEA is on the right track though. Perfect the basic model first.
 
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tritium said:
I've waded into this particular debate because I've spoken extensively with the guys at NEA about their product, I've shot the NEA rifle, handled it, and scrutnized it. So far, I like it but, I have not run it hard yet and my opinion could change. I will be giving it a thorough but reasonable test that would be in line with testing that a police tactical unit would do.
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Just my $.02 worth.

There are a select few ppl on the board who know who I am IRL. Once upon a time I mentioned part of my bg in a post on this board and the people who held contrary view were very quick to call me a fraud, question my credentials, and attempt to get ppl to dismiss my opinion. As a result, I rarely offer opinion anymore when it comes to design observations or engineering materials science.

Just the nature of internet forums, I suppose.

These days I generally try to limit commentary to reviewing products I can show photos of, actually try out, comment on ergonomics and performance.

I know some guys at NEA from having extensively discussed some of their products, the design thereof, etc. and can even tell you I prototyped one of their products that will go into production in the near future. I have the utmost confidence in their new AR and in most of their products, for that matter. I run many of them on my own high-round-count rigs, VZ's. M14's, AR's, etc.

Take that for what it's worth. Most ppl will assign it no value and that's OK too ;)
 
Claven2 said:
Just my $.02 worth.

There are a select few ppl on the board who know who I am IRL. Once upon a time I mentioned part of my bg in a post on this board and the people who held contrary view were very quick to call me a fraud, question my credentials, and attempt to get ppl to dismiss my opinion. As a result, I rarely offer opinion anymore when it comes to design observations or engineering materials science.

Just the nature of internet forums, I suppose.

These days I generally try to limit commentary to reviewing products I can show photos of, actually try out, comment on ergonomics and performance. ...
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Well put!!
 
Suputin said:
Oh its exciting all right but not for the reasons you think.

It is actually quite dangerous getting a can that hot. You start running the risk the outer tube will rupture and throw jagged chunks of superheated metal at you. As well the overheated barrel causes bullets to fall apart inside the bore which can result in baffle strikes which can also result in the suppressor coming apart at the seams. Having blown up a few cans in my time, I can say it is not exciting in a good way but it does get the heart rate up some.

All in all it is not something I am happy playing with as I really don't like the idea of picking shards of metal out of my face.
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I meant the LMG with a can. I'm not interested in getting anything hot, unless it's a lady.

I'm one of the super anal that actually changes out my C9 barrel every 200.
 
Most of what the issue is, is that most people while reputable, while giving their opinions do not post any tech data or pics or like wise to back it up. I am not saying that it's a bad thing.

Most viewers of this board want simple gun ####, how dirty can it get, how bad did they abuse it, how many people used it, how many times did the trigger get pulled, how close to the target did the little swimmers get, etc. I don't judge this as bad or good, it just simply is.

Quite simply those in the know are few and far between.
 
As for torture, we did also water-board 3 guns. They did not give up the location of their recce elements.

- Dave[/QUOTE]

Made my day:)
 
When I get my AR15 I'll beat the every loving #### out of it. Throw it off towers, dump it in the river, drive over it with a tractor, etc.

I've pissed away $1000 on less. I think it will be entertaining.
 
PS: FWIW, I am NOT a paid employee or representative of NEA. Full disclosure, I have on two occasions received free product from them for testing, demo and review purposes, once for an M14 item and once for a VZ58 item. But that's it. Everything else of theirs (a considerable sum of kit) I paid for and continue to run because when I run NEA stuff, it's the best kit available in my view.
 
My connection to NEA is similar...I do not get paid, I do not get free stuff. I own and recommend stuff they make because I have found it to be good. I have not held back on criticizing their products when I have had an issue with them, but that's been a fairly rare occurrence and generally I say good things because I have only had good things to say.
 
tritium said:
I don't like your insinuation that I smoke drugs though, I never have and never will. :mad:
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That was not towards you.
I was asking what Misanthropist was smoking.

I glad you have relevant work experience to assist you in offering informed opinions. Sometimes there are to many opinions based on internet 'facts' and 'He said' / 'She said' or the best 'I heard the next to me say'

cheers
 
I'm a nobody. I don't have any relevant experience to the matters at hand, and I rarely know what I'm talking about.

Having said that, if paid enough and given enough free stuff, I'm more than willing to tell everyone how good a product is.



Line starts to the left, no pushing and shoving please.
 
IMO...Torture tests are pointless,any barrel/op system is going to experience some sort of failure in ???? rounds. Machine guns were designed for moderate sustained fire at best not continuous fire in the several thousand round range.

We in Canada (Land of the 5 rounders) will even if we carried 10- 30rd. mags are ever going to gain from such a test. totally pointless. The military has been conducting these tests for decades and gained nothing from them. Stopages are going to occur no matter what at the most inopportune of times.

There is no "mystical science" behind makeing an AR run well and shoot accurately. The "New" NEA AR is just another AR. All the science was worked out some 50+ years ago. The combination of parts in spec with each other is all that matters to make it work. No different than a Norinco,Don't "F" with it and it will work just fine. They(NEA) are simply a new manufacturer in the AR market nothing more.

If you want to try to wreck your new NEA AR go for it.
 
:)Rivet... It's all good! Thanks for the clarification! :)

heckler makes a good point too.. I haven't seen a single person here asking if anyone has torture tested a BCM or DD or Knights or LMT but some folks are quick to throw a Canadian manufacturer under the bus.

Oh, and wicked police is mean!!! ....and doesn't know crap.... and owes me mags...... and beer......;)

I'm sure I'll think of more.

Stupid cops!

Wicked, no more wearing of jack boots in my house, it scares the dog!!:stirthepot2:
 
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