Pattern Master?
- Thread starter airjmc87
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Hey newbie, lighten up. All Ben was attempting to get across in his usual diplomatic way is that it doesn't much matter whose choke tubes you use. The issue is, and always will be, matching your ammo to the barrel and choke you have in order to attain the best results. But if you like Pattern Master tubes there's no reason not to buy them.
Never seen anyone shooting bucks out of them, but the few times I've seen people shooting wad stripper chokes at birds and the results seems good. Not sure if it's better then a regular coke but all the birds were killed clean at a decent range.
There are few other wad stripper chokes as well like wad wizard etc that may be worth looking into.
Any reason you want to hunt yotes with a shotgun?
There are few other wad stripper chokes as well like wad wizard etc that may be worth looking into.
Any reason you want to hunt yotes with a shotgun?
Thanks Boomer, the point I was trying to make also is that these TV guys recommend anything that they are sponsored to recommend, in this case the TV host recommends Simmons scopes, which are generally considered poor, low end scopes. A lengthened choke tube, is a lengthened choke tube, I just wouldn't drink any further Predator Quest Koolaid...IMHO!
Logan_Lamothe
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- Big River, Sask
I use a Carlson Dead Coyote choke tube and it patterns well out to 50 yards, enough to put pellets in a coyote reliably, through my 870 with Federal 3" 000.
Some hard on my buddy Ben. Oh well here is some more useless info for you.
I have one in both 12g and 10ga.
If you read the reviews they are the bees knees and probally are in many applications but not all.
My 10ga is a browning gold and in that I do see a improvement within a 24 circle at 40 yards up to no. 4 buck, after that it is no better than the factory tubes. Real loud to the point people in the blind will complain.
In the 12ga once again browning gold plus winchester x2 and x3.
No better than the factory modified choke, not as good as my diana grade chokes and terrible with shot size over no.1 buck. Also damaged it with black cloud ammo and it finally cracked one cold morning.
If me and 12ga I would pattern what you have now and bet the farm you will find for no.4 buck and coyotes your factory chokes will work just as well. I keep my shots under 40 yards on dogs regardless.
INTIMIDATOR
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- Southern Ontario
I haven't used a patternmaster, but I do have a tru-glo gobble stopper x-full turkey choke. This patterns the 4 buck pellets really well out to and beyond 40 yards. The pattern at 30 yards is less than 12". I'm using a Winchester 1300 pump with a 26" bbl.
1st part is not true Ben. I do not know you personally but have seen early on that you have a lot of knowledge and experience around firearms and reloading and always give honest proven feedback. I understood fully what you were getting at with your initial post on this subject. Yes I did buy these chokes but only after I tried and patterned all of the factory ones first rather than buying because the TV said they were great. That is the message I got. It proved to be worth the cash for my 10ga but a waste of I think 100.00 bucks in the 12ga for my guns. take care
Especially when it cracked and they would not replace it.
In regards to your question, I have used these chokes extensively on waterrfowl, upland, coyotes and clays. I find them to be very good! They are well designed and built. The ports do zero to reduce recoil so my advice would be to find one of the models without but there is no change in performance.
Secondly this come direct from patternmaster as I had some question for them they were extremely fast in responding. They told me that they only reccomend the use of steel BBB and down and nothing over 1550 FPS and to never EVER use flight control wads(Black Cloud/Prairie Storm). They also told me that they used to do all their patterning and testing with Kent which gave their best results but in the last few years has dropped off in quality according to thm(I still use it) and that they have since switched to another brand(not specified).
Hope this helps.
Oh and Ben in regards to your knowledge, it is second to none and you make some OUTSTANDING cast bullets. Keep em coming!
Secondly this come direct from patternmaster as I had some question for them they were extremely fast in responding. They told me that they only reccomend the use of steel BBB and down and nothing over 1550 FPS and to never EVER use flight control wads(Black Cloud/Prairie Storm). They also told me that they used to do all their patterning and testing with Kent which gave their best results but in the last few years has dropped off in quality according to thm(I still use it) and that they have since switched to another brand(not specified).
Hope this helps.
Oh and Ben in regards to your knowledge, it is second to none and you make some OUTSTANDING cast bullets. Keep em coming!
PatternMaster makes a set of chokes that are made just for black cloud and they work very well, a guy i useally hunt waterfowl with has one in his shotgun and it improved his pattern dramatically
http://www.patternmaster.com/categories/11
Doesn't suprise me. Probally designed it after us fools that bought their 1st ones out destroyed them.
I will stick to what I use now and have learned how to get the best patterns with my reloading and existing tubes. That being said I probally have one of every tubes ever made for a browning 10 and 12ga. When steel 1st came out and would not kill we started reloading and buying up tubes like crazy.
I am down to the following favorites as are a few of my friends in thier brownings.
Briley IM in 12ga & 10ga for all pass shooting applications and you don't have to worry about the ammunition or shot size. The Wad Wizard Swat or Briley LM over decoys. Also my buddy with a browning says Terror tubes perform well on all shot sizes except for T.
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I'm well aware of the fact that they make specific bc chokes, I was only refering to the standard chokes in their line up.
My understanding of how these chokes work is that they slow down the plastic shot cup to allow the shot to separate from it more rapidly. This would mean that you would need buckshot that uses a shot cup for the choke to work properly, as opposed to the more common sort that uses just a disc-type wad.
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mmcintyre1220
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- Tillsonburg, Ontario
I use a patternmaster ext ported in my beretta extrema for everything I shoot. It patterns very well and seems to allow longer shots and it absolutely boils the geese and ducks, You can sure tell it was hit with the patternmaster. I have shot coyote out to 60 yards with #4 buck and it has stopped them dead in their tracks. Like any choke you want to spend some time at the patterning board and find out what works and what does not. I know they don't like shells that are over 1550 fps or something along that nature. My top 2 choices for ammo and the patternmaster ( for waterfowl) are Hevi-metal 3 1/2 # 2 , BB and BBB or that good old Canadian tire Winchester expert in all shot sizes. For my setup the patternmaster boosts the performance of those cheep useless shells up to and probably over the performance of any premium ammo on the market.
I was clearing it up for the OP, because by reading your post it sounds like black cloud cannot be shot through patternmaster chokes, when in fact if you set things up right they work well together
