Kalashnikov Manipulation-Beyond the Firearm II

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Has anyone ever see this dvd? It's called beyond the firearm II and seems to be a interesting video on kalash manipulation.

Check the youtube link below...do you fellas think it's something worth looking into more deeply?


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This man is a trained Spetsnaz.
Russian special purpose regiments or Spetsnaz, Specnaz (Russian: Войска специального назначения, (спецназ) tr: Voyska spetsialnogo naznacheniya, pronounced [spʲetsnas]) is a general term for "special forces" in Russian, literally "special purpose". These Russian special forces can specifically refer to any elite or special purpose units under subordination of the Federal Security Service (FSB) or Internal Troops of Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the units controlled by the military intelligence service GRU.In the Armed Forces, spetsnaz is a term mainly used in connection with GRU-controlled COMINT, ELINT and radio-surveillance units. Spetsnaz carry out reconnaissance and social warfare missions in "peacetime" as well as in war. According to Vladimir Rezun, a GRU defector who used the pseudonym "Viktor Suvorov", there were 20 Spetsnaz brigades plus 41 separate companies. Thus, total strength of Spetsnaz forces was around 30,000 troops at the time, their numbers are unknown today.
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I have it. Its an interesting video, teaches you hot to use the AK system and some nifty reloads and other things. As we can't purchase AK systems its not all that useful here, but any knowledge in a firearms system cant be too bad. You could also possibly use some of the info on a VZ58 as well as the Type 81 if they bring it in.
 
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This man is a trained Spetsnaz.
Russian special purpose regiments or Spetsnaz, Specnaz (Russian: Войска специального назначения, (спецназ) tr: Voyska spetsialnogo naznacheniya, pronounced [spʲetsnas]) is a general term for "special forces" in Russian, literally "special purpose". These Russian special forces can specifically refer to any elite or special purpose units under subordination of the Federal Security Service (FSB) or Internal Troops of Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the units controlled by the military intelligence service GRU.In the Armed Forces, spetsnaz is a term mainly used in connection with GRU-controlled COMINT, ELINT and radio-surveillance units. Spetsnaz carry out reconnaissance and social warfare missions in "peacetime" as well as in war. According to Vladimir Rezun, a GRU defector who used the pseudonym "Viktor Suvorov", there were 20 Spetsnaz brigades plus 41 separate companies. Thus, total strength of Spetsnaz forces was around 30,000 troops at the time, their numbers are unknown today.
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JNA said:
I have it. Its an interesting video, teaches you hot to use the AK system and some nifty reloads and other things. As we can't purchase AK systems its not all that useful here, but any knowledge in a firearms system cant be too bad. You could also possibly use some of the info on a VZ58 as well as the Type 81 if they bring it in.
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owning it. in your opinion, how much of it is transferable to the vz system?
 
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This man is a trained Spetsnaz.
Russian special purpose regiments or Spetsnaz, Specnaz (Russian: Войска специального назначения, (спецназ) tr: Voyska spetsialnogo naznacheniya, pronounced [spʲetsnas]) is a general term for "special forces" in Russian, literally "special purpose". These Russian special forces can specifically refer to any elite or special purpose units under subordination of the Federal Security Service (FSB) or Internal Troops of Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the units controlled by the military intelligence service GRU.In the Armed Forces, spetsnaz is a term mainly used in connection with GRU-controlled COMINT, ELINT and radio-surveillance units. Spetsnaz carry out reconnaissance and social warfare missions in "peacetime" as well as in war. According to Vladimir Rezun, a GRU defector who used the pseudonym "Viktor Suvorov", there were 20 Spetsnaz brigades plus 41 separate companies. Thus, total strength of Spetsnaz forces was around 30,000 troops at the time, their numbers are unknown today.
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Would you say that the Spetsnaz are Russias most elite unit? From what a friend of mine (former 18bravo) has told me the spetsnaz are like the counterparts of the united states green berets.

I've always been interested in russian training thanks for the info
 
it would seem to me that the ak and similar guns with the charging handle on the right hand side would be more efficiently used by holding the rifle by the forestock and manipulating everything with the right hand (like a bolt gun) rather than the magpul/western way of holding the pistol grip and manipulating with the left hand
 
scott585 said:
it would seem to me that the ak and similar guns with the charging handle on the right hand side would be more efficiently used by holding the rifle by the forestock and manipulating everything with the right hand (like a bolt gun) rather than the magpul/western way of holding the pistol grip and manipulating with the left hand
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Since the VZ holds the bolt open, and has a bolt release I do it the 'magpul/western' way with acceptable efficiency.
 
scott585 said:
it would seem to me that the ak and similar guns with the charging handle on the right hand side would be more efficiently used by holding the rifle by the forestock and manipulating everything with the right hand (like a bolt gun) rather than the magpul/western way of holding the pistol grip and manipulating with the left hand
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wouldn't it seem like there's less wasted movement manipulating using the left hand as opposed to doing it like a boltgun?

It seems faster because your using your left hand to strip the mag then going straight to the bolt on the right side. as opposed to stripping the mag with the left hand then getting a solid grip on the forstock then using the right to get to the bolt...then back on the trigger.

I've tried both methods and the western way seems more ergo.

What are some other thoughts?
 
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Mag changes are different, you don't have to wack the mag release with the fresh mag on the Vz.
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that's the only thing i was able to gather on my own. Any other similarities?

I almost wish the mag release was in the same spot as the ak.
 
Actually he also comes to Canada for training quite a bit. He was in Montreal the past summer for a seminar and at Vlads in Toronto.
Very nice guy and really knows his stuff whether combatives or firearms, I would hate to have to face him even if he's empty handed.

Can't say much about his choice of coffee tho!! LOL
 
Lessonz said:
wouldn't it seem like there's less wasted movement manipulating using the left hand as opposed to doing it like a boltgun?

It seems faster because your using your left hand to strip the mag then going straight to the bolt on the right side. as opposed to stripping the mag with the left hand then getting a solid grip on the forstock then using the right to get to the bolt...then back on the trigger.

I've tried both methods and the western way seems more ergo.

What are some other thoughts?
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im thinking that all operations would be done with the right hand, strip and insert mags with the right hand, supporting the weapon with your left on the forestock, then charging it with the right hand, still holding the foreend in the left, and returning to the pistol grip, it seems this is also how the sks is set up
 
Sonny

I trained with Sonny some time back.. its very intense you work out muscles you didnt know you had and you end up sore and your legs feel like rubber before you ever pick up a rifle and start running... Most of it transfers quite well to the VZ58... I wouldnt trade what i learned there for anything you find else where... everyone walked away even the SWAT member that was on course with a realization that there is no limit to what you can train yourself to do in that field... if you have the drive and however awsome you think you actually are.. your breaking point can be reached very quick... thats not by any means somthing he said.. thats a general feeling amongst those who trained.

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The entire idea of the spetsnaz AK system is 2 fold.. 1 to remove "gaps" or pauses that are found in alot of movments ( ie. the hand coming back from the bolt to the pistol grip and the gun being out of the fight for that half or quarter second.. when you remove several "gaps" it starts to pay off ...and 2 to keep the rifle always forward on target.. they dont use the "work space" method like magpul.. not that there is anything wrong with that method.. but you can actually get quite hauntingly quick with an AK through this system. however you are told to never train in just one movment.. if your in a hallway or behind cover you may find yourself in a position where you can quicker manipulate the bolt with your trigger hand.. there is 3 separate common charging handle methods.. and im sure ninja russian stuff i wasnt even privy to haha.
 
As for the VZ system, I dont have experience with that, but I think for an AK system (I was an airsofter) it worked pretty well :).
 
spetsnaz

also spetsnaz is just a blanket term... gru is spetsnaz.. spetsnaz is like us saying SF or special forces.. spetsnaz has many different branches and to my understands is actually involved in all branches of goverment ie.. law enforcment.. intelligence.. military...
 
I find it interesting that he doesn't always drop the empty mag to the ground and pockets it when practical instead. I would have a hard time dropping a perfectly good mag.

I guess mag changes would be easier and smoother for me since I'm a southpaw.

Now, I just need an AK again so I can practice.:)

First the elimination of the registry, then the reversal of Bills C-68, C-17, and hell, why not C-150 while we're at it.:D
 
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I trained with Sonny some time back.. its very intense you work out muscles you didnt know you had and you end up sore and your legs feel like rubber before you ever pick up a rifle and start running... Most of it transfers quite well to the VZ58... I wouldnt trade what i learned there for anything you find else where... everyone walked away even the SWAT member that was on course with a realization that there is no limit to what you can train yourself to do in that field... if you have the drive and however awsome you think you actually are.. your breaking point can be reached very quick... thats not by any means somthing he said.. thats a general feeling amongst those who trained.

in response to the Wasted movement coment:

The entire idea of the spetsnaz AK system is 2 fold.. 1 to remove "gaps" or pauses that are found in alot of movments ( ie. the hand coming back from the bolt to the pistol grip and the gun being out of the fight for that half or quarter second.. when you remove several "gaps" it starts to pay off ...and 2 to keep the rifle always forward on target.. they dont use the "work space" method like magpul.. not that there is anything wrong with that method.. but you can actually get quite hauntingly quick with an AK through this system. however you are told to never train in just one movment.. if your in a hallway or behind cover you may find yourself in a position where you can quicker manipulate the bolt with your trigger hand.. there is 3 separate common charging handle methods.. and im sure ninja russian stuff i wasnt even privy to haha.
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excellent post and very interesting. I got a copy of Sonnys DVD coming and i'm looking forward to watching.
 
tex_on_the_trigger said:
in response to the Wasted movement coment:

The entire idea of the spetsnaz AK system is 2 fold.. 1 to remove "gaps" or pauses that are found in alot of movments ( ie. the hand coming back from the bolt to the pistol grip and the gun being out of the fight for that half or quarter second.. when you remove several "gaps" it starts to pay off ...and 2 to keep the rifle always forward on target.. they dont use the "work space" method like magpul.. not that there is anything wrong with that method.. but you can actually get quite hauntingly quick with an AK through this system. however you are told to never train in just one movment.. if your in a hallway or behind cover you may find yourself in a position where you can quicker manipulate the bolt with your trigger hand.. there is 3 separate common charging handle methods.. and im sure ninja russian stuff i wasnt even privy to haha.
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this does make sense, it just looks weird the way he has to weave his arms in and out to get to the bolt handle

in the fn days, it is my understanding that canadian soldiers were taught to work everything involved in mag changes and stoppages with the left and hold the pistol grip in the right, on all weapons. i just figured russian weapons were the opposite based on design. i am surprised a top mounted charging handle never emerged like the uzi to allow more ambi use of the ak series
 
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