Why I like 3 shot groups over 5.
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Jwirecom109
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lol
Blastattack
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Wow. That was deep 
Jwirecom109
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You also have better odds of fluking off a bragging sized group.
You can do that with any amount of round from 10 feet away
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Doesn't save ammo at all. Now I have to shoot 2x 3 shot groups when I could have done 1x 5 shot group.
/can of worms
/can of worms
I know several people that have fluked off a very good group, but have never even come close to backing it up. The funny thing is, that if someone asks how the gun shoots, they always respond by telling them about that one great group, rather than telling them what it can do on a regular basis. It seems that if their gun has fired one 1/2" group, they refer to it from then on as a 1/2" gun.
I know several people that have fluked off a very good group, but have never even come close to backing it up. The funny thing is, that if someone asks how the gun shoots, they always respond by telling them about that one great group, rather than telling them what it can do on a regular basis. It seems that if their gun has fired one 1/2" group, they refer to it from then on as a 1/2" gun.
Well put.
Justin
Ditto
from me as well.
I know several people that have fluked off a very good group, but have never even come close to backing it up. The funny thing is, that if someone asks how the gun shoots, they always respond by telling them about that one great group, rather than telling them what it can do on a regular basis. It seems that if their gun has fired one 1/2" group, they refer to it from then on as a 1/2" gun.
from me as well.
I know several people that have fluked off a very good group, but have never even come close to backing it up. The funny thing is, that if someone asks how the gun shoots, they always respond by telling them about that one great group, rather than telling them what it can do on a regular basis. It seems that if their gun has fired one 1/2" group, they refer to it from then on as a 1/2" gun.
LOL. I guess I'm the odd man out. I'm selling my M305 and a fellow asked what size of groups it gets. I told him "It averages about 1.75" and a personal best of about 0.8" 3 shot group". I did acknowledge that it was a fluke, but looked cool. Heck, it's a battle rifle, not a precision instrument.
Guess which one I showed my son.
Until I started to read the Precision threads, I had never thought of a 5 shot group. I like it. It takes away some of the fluke factor.
lejarretnoir
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3 shot groups are fine for skinny barreled hunting rifles. The 1st shot out of a cold barrel is more important to be accurate.
I only factor in 5 or 10 shot groups for varmint/target guns to make sure they are consistent.
I only factor in 5 or 10 shot groups for varmint/target guns to make sure they are consistent.
What good does a 3 or 5 shot group do? Its all about the the 50 shot groups.
Honestly what do you learn with a 5 shot group? Only what your rifle will do with those 5 shots.
I go with five
You see, I am a bit of an expert in statistics. What I do is shoot a five shot group. Then, I take two "outliers" and eliminate them from consideration. I then measure the span between the remaining three holes (from the two inside edges) and round down if necessary. With this number, I calculate the accuracy potential of the rifle by multiplying by certain constants (for instance, if the day was particularly humid, I multiply my group size by 0.78, and if I have a bit of heartburn, the group size gets multiplied by .62)
Math is my friend, and all my rifles are sub MOA . . . I bet even my shotguns could be with a few more adjustments!
You see, I am a bit of an expert in statistics. What I do is shoot a five shot group. Then, I take two "outliers" and eliminate them from consideration. I then measure the span between the remaining three holes (from the two inside edges) and round down if necessary. With this number, I calculate the accuracy potential of the rifle by multiplying by certain constants (for instance, if the day was particularly humid, I multiply my group size by 0.78, and if I have a bit of heartburn, the group size gets multiplied by .62)
Math is my friend, and all my rifles are sub MOA . . . I bet even my shotguns could be with a few more adjustments!
Adjust to 5 feet and you'll shoot bug holes with that bird gun. LOL manitoba
3 shot groups help with finding a suitable node. Ladder test at 200m or more to find the least vertical stringing from those nodes. Your call on number of shots at this point. Your final confirmation should be at distance suited for the purpose. Ie, 1 shot hunting at 300m. Test loads to hit your best node. Say your best node is 3/4 moa at 100m then your 1 shot kill shot should be within a 2 1/4" target at 300m. If you like putting 10 shots into a loonie at 300m, then test your loads for that purpose. All of course if you can find a holy grail windless day....then all bets are off my friends.
100m only is a starting point to assess consistency, unless you are planning only to shoot that far. My two bits.
3 shot groups help with finding a suitable node. Ladder test at 200m or more to find the least vertical stringing from those nodes. Your call on number of shots at this point. Your final confirmation should be at distance suited for the purpose. Ie, 1 shot hunting at 300m. Test loads to hit your best node. Say your best node is 3/4 moa at 100m then your 1 shot kill shot should be within a 2 1/4" target at 300m. If you like putting 10 shots into a loonie at 300m, then test your loads for that purpose. All of course if you can find a holy grail windless day....then all bets are off my friends.
100m only is a starting point to assess consistency, unless you are planning only to shoot that far. My two bits.
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I like a consistent hunting rifle. If it has a skinny barrel, three shot groups say more than 5's do.
However, my real criteria for a hunting rifle is the first shot out of a cold barrel.
I take a target, hang it at 1,2 or 300 yards. Then I shoot one shot.
I will shoot another shot with that rifle and load in a half hour or more.
Then again after a similar wait.
5 shots, fired this way, gives me an idea of the "hunting" potentail of that rifle & load.
I have some rifles that positively astound me because of their consistency.
Others, not bad. If it shoots bigger groups than I find acceptable, new development is in order.
My standards are quite high, so no lousy shooters stay in my gunsafes.
Regards, Eagleye.
However, my real criteria for a hunting rifle is the first shot out of a cold barrel.
I take a target, hang it at 1,2 or 300 yards. Then I shoot one shot.
I will shoot another shot with that rifle and load in a half hour or more.
Then again after a similar wait.
5 shots, fired this way, gives me an idea of the "hunting" potentail of that rifle & load.
I have some rifles that positively astound me because of their consistency.
Others, not bad. If it shoots bigger groups than I find acceptable, new development is in order.
My standards are quite high, so no lousy shooters stay in my gunsafes.
Regards, Eagleye.
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Take note fellow gunnutz not to buy used precision rifles from Eagleye.
