Storing Handguns

mlehtovaara said:
Stack ons are specifically marketed as "gun cabinets".

I understand your argument, and in the Henry Barnes case the judge ruled his stack on cabinets were safes, but they were modified with steel bars to be more secure.
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depends on which one you have.
mine is 182 lbs stack on SAFE 16 gun. it is classified as a safe, not cabnet.
list price is $700 (on sale this week for $350.)
also have a smaller safe in it sitting in the bottom, adds more weight and locks more stuff.
bolted down, locked room, alarmed house, trigger locks on everything.
costco does have a firesafe for the same price but i read some bad reviews about the digital keypad crapping out.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brow...D~0755699P/Stack-On+16+Gun+Safe.jsp?locale=en
 
Handguns in safe, with restricted rifles and non-restricted rifles, loaded magazine beside each where practical, no trigger locks - perfectly legal. Additionally, I believe in the legal definition of a safe - anything that locks and is used to store something (paraphrasing). There is no effing definition of "Safe" - for those who want to read paranoid hidden definitions that aren't there - get over it. The rules for safe storage were intended NOT to prevent theft, but to prevent unauthorized access, almost anything that locks will do. At the time the laws were written this

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was what was considered a normal gun cabinet, and you could get them at furniture stores and Sears (who also sold .22's in their catalogue). Those of you who arrived post C68 just wouldn't understand how normal, and everyday guns in living rooms were. Virtually everyone had them, on display, in the livingroom. Those who didn't have the fancy cabinet, had a wooden rack (like a truck rack) with small drawers for ammo at the bottom, my family moved here in 1974 from the UK, and I thought it was fantastic that people could just have guns in their livingrooms.
 
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enefgee said:
Handguns in safe, with restricted rifles and non-restricted rifles, loaded magazine beside each where practical, no trigger locks - perfectly legal. Additionally, I believe in the legal definition of a safe - anything that locks and is used to store something (paraphrasing). There is no effing definition of "Safe" - for those who want to read paranoid hidden definitions that aren't there - get over it. The rules for safe storage were intended NOT to prevent theft, but to prevent unauthorized access, almost anything that locks will do. At the time the laws were written this

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Thanks enefgee! That is exactly what is meant by a "gun cabinet". IIRC, there was also a ruling about glass doors (no longer allowed), but I could be wrong.
 
Got the best, heaviest and highest rated safe I could afford. Last thing I want is to lose my valuables to some intruder.

If you and a friend can move a safe into your house, then two dip-####s can move it out of your house. If it's under 1000 lbs, anchor the bastard down.
 
I see what you guys are saying regarding legality of a safe. But, despite the fact that a safe is only required to prevent unauthorized access, I stilll don't want to lose my treasured belognings to save a little money
 
My safe is almost a thousand pounds and the door itself, well you better have a good torch and lots of time and get past my alarm and snoopy neighbors to lol :)

So no locks on my handguns or Ars etc, I use chamber locks and by repeated process I check out my handguns and rifles thoroughly prior to leaving range so I am confident to "not" miss locking them etc, and I feel better about my pre decisions on what I will take for the day.

When I had the simple stack on type safes, "if you can classify them as safe even" I DID 100% lock them then as it worried me from a break in point of view as mentioned in some other responses.

Some say they dont lock their "non" restricted, ok fair enough, BUT...if someone did get into it, does this mean they can't kill someone as easy with a "non" restricted?, that makes no sense to me at all. IMO of course if your safe is indeed a solid, a no effin' around safe, then you don't require, if it is a cheapy metal box then yea lock em, but lock ALL of em, they all go bang and can cause damage. BEST purchase I've made in last few years was a quality HEAVY hardcore safe no regrets in doing so.
 
jackrabbit000 said:
So you are saying a cheap CT gun cabinet is considered a safe? Laugh2Laugh2Laugh2
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As long as it has a multi point locking system, according to a judge in Ontario, the last time LE went on a fishing expedition, and tried to charge a guy for not having a "safe". The judge's opinion was based on the fact that the throw latches (parts that actually provide the locking) on the box were in more than a single location. You guys should really keep up to date on this stuff. Incidently, the cops and Crown were laughing too, until their case got booted and of course precident was set.
 
ok, so a sub question

I'm in the process of putting an addition onto my house which is going to include the master bedroom...and a closet for my firearm storage. Its probably going to be 5ft wide by 3ft deep.

Understanding that opinions expressed on the internet isn't legal advice....are there any extra steps I should take to make this "room" gun legal. Door with multiple locking points? steel in the walls, cement board, mulitple layers of sheetrock? Whats going to make this room/closet ok by legal standards...especially letter of the law standards. I'm not worried about my guns getting stolen or being accessed by unauthorized people....just meeting the law in case something happens and I get "inspected".

Anyone have experience with homemade gun storage devices? I know some of you have gun rooms...do you have anything more than a locked door in a 2x4 wall with two layers of sheetrock?

Thanks
 
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