why the 3030?

At what point is "more gun needed".... since a .30-06 can do what .30-30 does within the .30-30's range PLUS go out way further and is available in many more firearms as well as many more actions when does a .30-30 become a better choice?...

You don't get it... it isn't about why would someone burden themselves with more gun than needed.... it's about why would anyone want to put themselves ina situation wheret hey may not have enough gun?..... and that DOES NOT mean you need a super magnum.....

So where do you draw the line? You say the .30/30 may not be enough. Perhaps the .30-06 (which I think is a fine round, actually) might not be enough, either. Are you sure that you wouldn't be better off with, say, a .300 Win Mag which - I am sure you will agree - can do what .30-06 does within the .30-06's range PLUS go out way further and is available in the same sort of firearms?

My point is that you are attempting to draw an arbitrary line.

The .30-06 is a damned fine round, arguably the best rifle round going. That doesn't mean it is always better than everything else. Something that has put meat on the table for a century has to have something going for it.
 
So where do you draw the line? You say the .30/30 may not be enough. Perhaps the .30-06 (which I think is a fine round, actually) might not be enough, either. Are you sure that you wouldn't be better off with, say, a .300 Win Mag which - I am sure you will agree - can do what .30-06 does within the .30-06's range PLUS go out way further and is available in the same sort of firearms?

My point is that you are attempting to draw an arbitrary line.

The .30-06 is a damned fine round, arguably the best rifle round going. That doesn't mean it is always better than everything else. Something that has put meat on the table for a century has to have something going for it.

I don't draw the line... as I have said several times 30-30 is OK in 30-30's range.....

In my opinion the .30-30 proliferates because everyone's granddaddy used one and it has been passed down....

I don't know how many times I have to say this.... it is an ok round for under 150 with practice and as long as you are willing tio accept a limit.... and a lack of availability of actions.....

I just fail to see why someone would wish to impose those limits on themsleves...
 
The line is not drawn arbitarily, the line is drawn by function. See for me the way that i hunted deer was to either be a pusher or alternatively still hunt. For that a 30-06 has no benifit over a 30-30 because there is really no possibility to shoot over 100 yards in a swamp. Im getting a 7600 270 with a scope because i also now am hunting deer from stands in the hard woods where i can take shots around 200 yards if they are offered. Superbrad correct me if im wrong, but since i have asked you about this you have said that you hunt areas in southern ontario that include some farmland and you have legitimit reason for a cartridge and platform that can reach further. Again I dont want to be talking for you so if im wrong i apologize.

So to the argument why undergun with a 30-30, simply it isn't undergunning if it fits all of your requirments.
 
The line is not drawn arbitarily, the line is drawn by function. See for me the way that i hunted deer was to either be a pusher or alternatively still hunt. For that a 30-06 has no benifit over a 30-30 because there is really no possibility to shoot over 100 yards in a swamp. Im getting a 7600 270 with a scope because i also now am hunting deer from stands in the hard woods where i can take shots around 200 yards if they are offered. Superbrad correct me if im wrong, but since i have asked you about this you have said that you hunt areas in southern ontario that include some farmland and you have legitimit reason for a cartridge and platform that can reach further. Again I dont want to be talking for you so if im wrong i apologize.

So to the argument why undergun with a 30-30, simply it isn't undergunning if it fits all of your requirments.

I agree to some extent Ryan.... and you are kind of making my point... you are buying another rifle and calibre because it is more versatile.... even if you were just pushing... a lever i snice to carry through the bush... but what happens when you want more than one quick shot?....likely not the best....

If a 30-30 suits requirements then fill your boots... but why not buy something that suits your requirements and more when the ability to do so exists?...
 
still waiting for a logical argument against my post above.... not looking for a fight here.... I really want to know why someone would choose a 30-30 above other options?.... it drops quicker, carries less energy, is available in limited actions (almost onlky one to be exact)..... what is the appeal?.. I have a couple... they ride my safe.... why should I take them out?

Maybe you should dump them while you can on an unsuspecting public convinced of their own foolishness. I'd pay shipping on all the ones you think are garbage and useless. Then you'd have more room for "better" guns. Let me know.
 
I agree to some extent Ryan.... and you are kind of making my point... you are buying another rifle and calibre because it is more versatile.... even if you were just pushing... a lever i snice to carry through the bush... but what happens when you want more than one quick shot?....likely not the best....

If a 30-30 suits requirements then fill your boots... but why not buy something that suits your requirements and more when the ability to do so exists?...

What is the issue with a lever action and quick follow up shots... do tell?

You could argue that the .223 is a pathetic coyote calibre with the 22-250, 220 swift and 223 wssm available...

why would someone want to limmit themselves with a ,223.....:rolleyes:
 
I don't want to get into a pissing match over credentials... I shoot plenty and at the age of 37 have likely already shot more in my lifetime than most will ever have the opportunity to thanks to my military service...

Holy crap, guys! This guy is 37 hrs old AND is / was a member of the military where he shot all the time. Not just the 60rds a year on the PWT, but more than most shooting enthusiasts would shoot in a lifetime.

I remember before I joined the infantry I used to shoot 3-4,000 rds a year. Then I joined, and wound up shooting on the Regimental Shooting Team. Shot enough to be selected for Canadian T&E s for the .338 Lapua Magnum. I still never fired (except for machine gun qualifications) 3,000 rds a year.
I still fire 10 times more in a year on my own time (still in the CF) than I do at work but I'll never equal Superbrad. He's gotta be my new hero. :rolleyes:

Thanks for trying, but you are NOT the only CF member here who shoots and while that crap might go over with the unwashed civvies you play with that you can come out the expert, it won't go here where members have shot 50,000 to 100,000 centre-fire rounds in all kinds of situations.

Brother, can you smell what you are shoveling?
 
I don't want to get into a pissing match over credentials... I shoot plenty and at the age of 37 have likely already shot more in my lifetime than most will ever have the opportunity to thanks to my military service......

Brad, you are just digging the hole deeper with almost every post. There are many scores of guys on here who shoot thousands of rounds a year, and no small number who shoot tens of thousands.

What has that got to do with the subject of this thread? Seriously, perhaps it would help if you went back and read the original post.

Ted
 
I agree to some extent Ryan.... and you are kind of making my point... you are buying another rifle and calibre because it is more versatile.... even if you were just pushing... a lever i snice to carry through the bush... but what happens when you want more than one quick shot?....likely not the best....

If a 30-30 suits requirements then fill your boots... but why not buy something that suits your requirements and more when the ability to do so exists?...

Ya i can see that point. If i was concerned about having to buy a new gun then it would matter lol. Realistically my chances of actually seeing a deer around 200 yards is pretty slim. It kinda comes down to a jack of all trade argument i guess. my 32 win would work at 200 , just like the heavier 270 would work in the swamps but one is better than the other at each.
 
I don't want to get into a pissing match over credentials... I shoot plenty and at the age of 37 have likely already shot more in my lifetime than most will ever have the opportunity to thanks to my military service...

I am not saying nor have I ever said that a 30-30 won't kill a deer within it's intended range...

But... My question is this.. Why would one want to limit themselves to the range of a 30-30?....

So when I joined the CF you were what - 6 years of age??? Give it a rest, you're starting to show your ass. There are lots of mil and ex mil on here who shoot as much as you or more, and for years longer, you're really nothing special in spite of the fact that you have an opinion. Guess what?? So does everybody else...

Maybe for some folks the hunting isn't about shooting from as far away as possible, maybe they like to actually "hunt" before they pull the trigger.
 
I don't draw the line... as I have said several times 30-30 is OK in 30-30's range.....

In my opinion the .30-30 proliferates because everyone's granddaddy used one and it has been passed down....

I don't know how many times I have to say this.... it is an ok round for under 150 with practice and as long as you are willing tio accept a limit.... and a lack of availability of actions.....

I just fail to see why someone would wish to impose those limits on themsleves...

If your limitations are 150 or under so be it, and if you want you don't need to use a 30-30.

The Op asked why the 30-30, for those of us who are not so limited the cartridge works.

Your opinion is just that, your opinion! For those of us with more experience with the round or opinions are obviously going to differ, i know what i am capable of with my rifles and make recomendations on experience with the rifle.

Just cause you can't doesn't mean others can't either.
 
I cannot lie, and wont fib or exaggerate...

I have no issue shooting ny 30-30 to 300 yrds...and do it often.

I can fire 5 shots in less that one and a half seconds, and have moaned and groaned, whith an ondone belt on the couch, after eating the game it has taken...

As for round counts???

SuperBrad,...do you really want to go there?

you don't reload...(not that there is anything wrong with that)
You know little of ballistics (that's Ok too)
You suffer from foot in mouth disease (We all do sometimes)

Just back it up a bit... you are digging a hole and filling it with water at the same time...

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This guy should be thanking the tax payers for allowing him to shoot more than most Canadians in his short 37 yrs.
"I don't want to get into a pissing match over credentials... I shoot plenty and at the age of 37 have likely already shot more in my lifetime than most will ever have the opportunity to thanks to my military service... "
After all it is we whom the Crown gathers taxes to pay for the Brave Men and Women whom protect Our Great Country called Canada.
Then Again, I am a loub mouthed Union thug, what the f do I know?
Tight Groups, even with a 30-30.
Rob
 
I have a couple dozen long guns to choose from when I head out hunting. Sometimes the choice is governed by weather conditions ... none of the nice wood stuff for a week in the rain. Sometimes it is a matter of deferring to the terrain where I plan to hunt ... don't need the 7mm Rem mag for a stand that limits shots to just over yards. Other times, the game I'm pursuing is a major consideration. The 250 Savage would not be my first choice when a mature bull moose is my only quarry. Often I make a choice based simply on which firearm will do the job adequately, and will at the same time give me pleasure to carry. It could be a nostalgia type choice, such as an older 99 Savage, or an opportunity to try some new reloads, a choice to carry a gun I have a lot of personal history with, or a chance use a gun I have recently acquired, or an old family piece, or to try something I have recently done a bit of work on. For me, many of the pleasures and experiences that "hunting" trips have to offer, have little to do with collecting game. Don't misunderstand. I like game meat and I enjoy the thrill seeing through on an opportunity put something in the freezer. In terms of a succesful hunt though, a whole lot of other things are more important to me than a filled tag. Carrying a particular firearm is frequently one of those things. For some folks (count me in), the necessity to pass up shots at game beyond 150 yards with the old 30-30 (or some other choice), may be more than compensated for by the simple pleasure, comfort, or confidence they get from carrying it. Why the 30-30? To the list already mentioned, I would add simply, it is a "personal choice" which gives pleasure.
 
Ffs guys... Give it a rest... I have shot more than most... It wasn't a boast ... I am well aware that many have shot and continue to shoot more than me... It wasn't a boast but a response to someone who insinuated that I never shoot... As far as military service is concerned yes, I was in the military and yes, fired many rounds and yes, I served two tours... No, unfortunately I was unable to join at age 6???

As far as the original post is concerned the question was "why the 30-30?" I have given some perfectly logical answers regarding range, versatility of load as well as availability of various actions... I have also said that 30-30's are capable of their intended purpose which is short range hunting...

You can feel free to disagree with any or all of my above statements but is it really necessary to start with the bs and bravado chit? You guys come in here pushing this cartridge like god himself created it... And act like a bunch of sharks in the water at the slightest scent of blood... The "I'm older and have shot more so I know more" attitude is getting old... Really... And the bs attitude that anyone who doesn't like a 30-30 is a magnum pusher is getting old too...

I am open to learn new things... And believe it or not I know a few things too...
 
This guy should be thanking the tax payers for allowing him to shoot more than most Canadians in his short 37 yrs.
"I don't want to get into a pissing match over credentials... I shoot plenty and at the age of 37 have likely already shot more in my lifetime than most will ever have the opportunity to thanks to my military service... "
After all it is we whom the Crown gathers taxes to pay for the Brave Men and Women whom protect Our Great Country called Canada.
Then Again, I am a loub mouthed Union thug, what the f do I know?
Tight Groups, even with a 30-30.
Rob

Yes... Every day I get down on my hands and knees and thank god as well as her majesty that I had the opportunity to shoot as well as the opportunity to spend 2 years of my life living in a wartorn ####hole... All the while sending my tax dollars back home...

You should have more respect for the military and those that have died so that people like you and your greedy unions can bankrupt the country...

Try to stay on topic...
 
At what point is "more gun needed".... since a .30-06 can do what .30-30 does within the .30-30's range PLUS go out way further and is available in many more firearms as well as many more actions when does a .30-30 become a better choice?...

The same time a 300Win Mag becomes a better choice than a 30-06!

Stand up straighter, some of this stuff maybe won't go right over your head!

Or maybe the masses are wrong & your always the right one f:P:2:
 
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